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SBT

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Grendel said:
What I would I think like to know is which acts of parliament passed through the lords for consideration has Mr Levedev attempt to influence?
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He’s one of only 800 people in the country with the ability to vote up or down on the laws that govern this country. For the avoidance of doubt, that makes him a political figure, whether he makes use of it or not.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Grendel said:
What I would I think like to know is which acts of parliament passed through the lords for consideration has Mr Levedev attempt to influence?
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And how many people within that establishment does he have access to who he can try to influence? Carrie doesn't have any position at all in the corridors of power but has supposedly heavily influenced policy because of her relationship with Boris. Just as the likes of Cummings et al have.

And if you're going to talk about him, please have the decency to spell his name right...
 
Grendel

Grendel

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SBT said:
He’s one of only 800 people in the country with the ability to vote up or down on the laws that govern this country. For the avoidance of doubt, that makes him a political figure, whether he makes use of it or not.
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
And how many people within that establishment does he have access to who he can try to influence? Carrie doesn't have any position at all in the corridors of power but has supposedly heavily influenced policy because of her relationship with Boris. Just as the likes of Cummings et al have.

And if you're going to talk about him, please have the decency to spell his name right...
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How many people has he influenced

It appears Sir Beer congratulated him on his Lords appointment. Has he has a beer with Sir beer?
 
Grendel

Grendel

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SBT said:
Sounds like you’ve had a few beers in the shed this morning
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Sounds like your boss at the Cov Tel has told you to follow my posts this morning as its the only thing of interest
 
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SBT

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Grendel said:
Sounds like your boss at the Cov Tel has told you to follow my posts this morning as its the only thing of interest
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Yes it’s all about you, well done old chap. Your friends and family will be so impressed when you tell them.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Well, Boris for starters. You know - the Prime Minister.
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nowithstanding the fact that the committee approved the appointment not Mr Johnson - labour meanwhile we’re doing their best to get a misogynist and a bully into the House
 
Grendel

Grendel

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SBT said:
Yes it’s all about you, well done old chap. Your friends and family will be so impressed when you tell them.
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I doubt they will when I tell them it’s just that windbag SBT

they may be confused as it’s not a discussion on Tavares
 
Grendel

Grendel

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PVA said:
Sir Beer. Wow.

A new low.
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im just looking forward to loads of pictures going back through the years of macron in a hoodie
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Grendel said:
nowithstanding the fact that the committee approved the appointment not Mr Johnson - labour meanwhile we’re doing their best to get a misogynist and a bully into the House
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And you don't think Johnson pulled a few strings and lent on a few people? MI6 had doubts about Lebedev (mind you, they had them about Johnson as well)

As for the second point:
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Also whataboutery is such an absurd term - a lazy euphemism to evade debate
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Grendel

Grendel

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
And you don't think Johnson pulled a few strings and lent on a few people? MI6 had doubts about Lebedev (mind you, they had them about Johnson as well)

As for the second point:
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I have no idea if he lent on people - do you?
 
Grendel

Grendel

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PVA said:
Whatever floats your boat, got to get your kicks somehow I guess.
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Well it seems odd that you say you’ve seen him loads of times in his hoodie. Your not that body guard chap he spends a lot of time with are you?
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Grendel said:
I have no idea if he lent on people - do you?
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So why do you think MI6 suddenly withdrew their concerns about him? Do you think the committee wouldn't have doubts about appointing someone that MI6 has flagged as a potential threat?

Besides, it goes way beyond his peerage. Johnson has been very lax on Russia, almost to the point of being an apologist at times in the past. Although he has other links to Russia, both financial and personal.

On the annexation of Crimea, he pretty much blamed the EU just to point score in the Brexit debate.
He said we should work with the Russian's in Syria to support Assad, despite them being untrustworthy.
He has attended parties etc with Lebedev without his security detail, giving the KGB officer's son a chance to influence him, not to mention the donations from Russian sources to his own campaigns and the Tories in general where Russian individuals have had the chance to spend time with him and undoubtedly forward their own agendas. Or do you think they really wanted to play tennis with the fat oaf?
He's given huge loopholes in his sanctions on Russian oligarchs so they have the opportunity to secure their wealth before they take effect but let's it look like he's taking tough action.

if even a fraction of that had been done by Corbyn (or anyone in Labour for that matter) you'd be labeling them a security risk and a Russian agent.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
So why do you think MI6 suddenly withdrew their concerns about him? Do you think the committee wouldn't have doubts about appointing someone that MI6 has flagged as a potential threat?

Besides, it goes way beyond his peerage. Johnson has been very lax on Russia, almost to the point of being an apologist at times in the past. Although he has other links to Russia, both financial and personal.

On the annexation of Crimea, he pretty much blamed the EU just to point score in the Brexit debate.
He said we should work with the Russian's in Syria to support Assad, despite them being untrustworthy.
He has attended parties etc with Lebedev without his security detail, giving the KGB officer's son a chance to influence him, not to mention the donations from Russian sources to his own campaigns and the Tories in general where Russian individuals have had the chance to spend time with him and undoubtedly forward their own agendas. Or do you think they really wanted to play tennis with the fat oaf?
He's given huge loopholes in his sanctions on Russian oligarchs so they have the opportunity to secure their wealth before they take effect but let's it look like he's taking tough action.

if even a fraction of that had been done by Corbyn (or anyone in Labour for that matter) you'd be labeling them a security risk and a Russian agent.
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no then
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
So why do you think MI6 suddenly withdrew their concerns about him? Do you think the committee wouldn't have doubts about appointing someone that MI6 has flagged as a potential threat?

Besides, it goes way beyond his peerage. Johnson has been very lax on Russia, almost to the point of being an apologist at times in the past. Although he has other links to Russia, both financial and personal.

On the annexation of Crimea, he pretty much blamed the EU just to point score in the Brexit debate.
He said we should work with the Russian's in Syria to support Assad, despite them being untrustworthy.
He has attended parties etc with Lebedev without his security detail, giving the KGB officer's son a chance to influence him, not to mention the donations from Russian sources to his own campaigns and the Tories in general where Russian individuals have had the chance to spend time with him and undoubtedly forward their own agendas. Or do you think they really wanted to play tennis with the fat oaf?
He's given huge loopholes in his sanctions on Russian oligarchs so they have the opportunity to secure their wealth before they take effect but let's it look like he's taking tough action.

if even a fraction of that had been done by Corbyn (or anyone in Labour for that matter) you'd be labeling them a security risk and a Russian agent.
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I’m not sure what else Grendull thinks rich people especially get close to politicians for if not for influence. What other reason is there? Maybe Lebedev wanted someone beating up? But then with his KGB connections he wouldn’t need Boris’ help, he’s no Darius Guppy.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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I am pretty pleased that Tony has recently discovered the :ROFLMAO: made up for him

Who knows - one day he might discover this is actually a football forum and occasionally pretend he is interested
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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skybluetony176 said:
I’m not sure what else Grendull thinks rich people especially get close to politicians for if not for influence. What other reason is there? Maybe Lebedev wanted someone beating up? But then with his KGB connections he wouldn’t need Boris’ help, he’s no Darius Guppy.
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Of course Grendel knows that. It's just that it's someone on his 'side' so he'll defend come what may. I asked him what other reason there might be for them paying to get close to politicians and he came back with nothing, so he knows the reason for it. bBt he can't be seen to be conceding that's the reason so unless I can provide video footage of the two openly plotting then it's all altruistic and 'nothing to see here'. Even then he'd probably argue it was a deep fake.

And of course if the tables were turned and it was a left wing politician, Labour especially, with these suspicious links and actions you can guarantee he'd be right on top of it and saying how it was clear they were in the pocket of Russia and were allowing them to influence and meddle in British politics.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Of course Grendel knows that. It's just that it's someone on his 'side' so he'll defend come what may. I asked him what other reason there might be for them paying to get close to politicians and he came back with nothing, so he knows the reason for it. bBt he can't be seen to be conceding that's the reason so unless I can provide video footage of the two openly plotting then it's all altruistic and 'nothing to see here'. Even then he'd probably argue it was a deep fake.

And of course if the tables were turned and it was a left wing politician, Labour especially, with these suspicious links and actions you can guarantee he'd be right on top of it and saying how it was clear they were in the pocket of Russia and were allowing them to influence and meddle in British politics.
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im just amazed that This one rather well off chap who has a majority ownership in a newspaper most on here believe offers the most sensible views politically and seems to spend most of his time hanging out with luvvies like Stephen Fry (not a radical Tory) is suddenly a smoking gun akin to the Perfumo scandal
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Grendel said:
im just amazed that This one rather well off chap who has a majority ownership in a newspaper most on here believe offers the most sensible views politically and seems to spend most of his time hanging out with luvvies like Stephen Fry (not a radical Tory) is suddenly a smoking gun akin to the Perfumo scandal
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To be fair though the 'Perfumo' scandal stunk.
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Of course Grendel knows that. It's just that it's someone on his 'side' so he'll defend come what may. I asked him what other reason there might be for them paying to get close to politicians and he came back with nothing, so he knows the reason for it. bBt he can't be seen to be conceding that's the reason so unless I can provide video footage of the two openly plotting then it's all altruistic and 'nothing to see here'. Even then he'd probably argue it was a deep fake.

And of course if the tables were turned and it was a left wing politician, Labour especially, with these suspicious links and actions you can guarantee he'd be right on top of it and saying how it was clear they were in the pocket of Russia and were allowing them to influence and meddle in British politics.
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Maybe he needs marriage guidance and see’s Boris as qualified to do that :LOL:
 
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