Because these discussions tend to go around and round in circles, with well-made points (e.g. round identity politics and brexit) simply not responded to, and where they are there is the well-honed use of contradiction, responding to tone, and ad hominems, with a nice bit of condescension and passive-aggressiveness tossed into the mix.
And in the vacuum that's created, we get the juvenile posts about the working class being a bunch of racist knobs.
nah. That's not it.
Not saying people aren't aspirational but that's not what the tories offer.
come on mate, you're clearly a clever guy.
You're telling me why people have had enough of Labour, I'll accept all of it, but if they've had enough of the 'elite' and the 'establishment', why do they think that someone like Duncan Smith or Rees Mogg has their interests at heart?
You can't just keep saying because people keep calling the working class racist. What do the tories offer?
Why do you keep voting Labour when it's membership is something like 70% middle class and it's MPs are all rich as fuck like the Tories too?
to be brief, we've had austerity, which is a political ideology not an economic strategy, which has been disastrous, we've seen opportunist cunts take advantage of covid to rinse the public purse, (37 billion track and trace, come on, wake up for fucks sake), I 'm hoping for something different.
I'm personally better off under the tories but I don't think going forward my kids, or more importantly, society will be.
to be brief, we've had austerity, which is a political ideology not an economic strategy, which has been disastrous, we've seen opportunist cunts take advantage of covid to rinse the public purse, (37 billion track and trace, come on, wake up for fucks sake), I 'm hoping for something different.
I'm personally better off under the tories but I don't think going forward my kids, or more importantly, society will be.
If you were from a working class background worked colloidal hours to get a big house the big car the private education for your children would the Labour Party shake your hand and encourage this ambition?
Do you think the tories encourage working class aspiration?
Because I don't think they do.
I Spent 15 years working stupid hours, didn't get lthe big car or house or private education for the kids but I've done ok. But I think that's despite the tories not because of them.
No they haven't.
All they've given is reasons why Labour are crap or reasons not to vote Labour, which is fine but not the question being asked.
This is so frustrating , this is exactly how I think labour MPs talk amongst themselves
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"I don't get it David , they can't stand the things we say or do , why won't they vote for us , what do the tories offer "
Honestly it's mental
They don't offer you , it's as simple as that
Are you going to answer the question or not?
Er you’ve avoided the question
Are you going to answer the question or not?
Tories by a landslide - the answer you need to get used to
Not really, I'd admire aspiration, I think, and hope, Labour do, I don't think the tories encourage it in the working class.
I think they applaud coruption like Matt Hancock and his family rinsing the public purse in a crisis.
Because they'd rather vote for anybody but you ... that's whyThat's not an answer as to why.
I have what the actual fuck is wrong with you
Tories by a landslide - the answer you need to get used to
You've just repeated time and time again what you don't like about Labour.
You haven't said what's so appealing about the tories other than they're not Labour and you're no worse off than you were 12 years ago
Because they'd rather vote for anybody but you ... that's why
OK here's a question .
Why do Labour keep losing if the tories are so bad , and why are the working class voting for them in their droves if Labour offer them more
I was referring to you as in Labour...not you particularly clint mate ffsMe? I'm not a politician. Weird answer
OK here's a question .
Why do Labour keep losing if the tories are so bad , and why are the working class voting for them in their droves if Labour offer them more
You've literally just asked the question I've asked at least half-dozen times.
Answer mine so I can gauge what you think the reason is that Labour keep losing , because if they offer the working class more then why are they leaving them in their drovesStill haven't answered the question...
So why do you think it is then ? If my answer isn't enough ...what do you think is the reasonYou've literally just asked the question I've asked at least half-dozen times.
That's not an answer as to why.
Do you think the heavy media bias in favour of the Conservatives helps to contribute to this disdain for Labour you describe?OK here's a question .
Why do Labour keep losing if the tories are so bad , and why are the working class voting for them in their droves if Labour offer them more
Do you think the heavy media bias in favour of the Conservatives helps to contribute to this disdain for Labour you describe?
Do you think the heavy media bias in favour of the Conservatives helps to contribute to this disdain for Labour you describe?
Answer mine so I can gauge what you think the reason is that Labour keep losing , because if they offer the working class more then why are they leaving them in their droves
You won't accept the fact people genuinely really dislike your MPs and membership ..so what is the answer
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