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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · May 24, 2022

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
How many times has it been said that the regulations were different for Johson's and Starmer's incidents.

Of course if either had broken any of the regulations in place at the time they should resign. i just find it a bit suss that when saying not sticking up for Johnson you then immediately follow it by mentioning Starmer's possible breach (rather than Johnson's numerous possible breaches)

I think he's just being objective.

There's not really anyone who is sensibly debating on this thread sticking up for Boris from what I can see, but this whole 'it was a different time', 'it's ok when we do it' kind of attitude I don't think is very helpful either.

I'm not sure I fully trust the authorities to do a proper investigation, but at the same time if they are each or both guilty then they have to go. I've made my view clear and the evidence looks pretty conclusive to me. I don't think the leaders of either main party should even allow any grey areas on this in the first place so I'm not very tolerant towards it. As some of the stories posted here have shown, it really is a disgrace to those people who suffered at the hands of those very rules.

I did never agree with said rules and they really pissed me off, heck, I argued it on here forever, but I did stick to them, and the fact those guys probably didn't... Well, it is totally unacceptable in my eyes.

Let's try not let them divide us over this.

shmmeee · May 24, 2022

I feel like everyone just forgot Johnson got fined. It’s not just possible breaches, or if he did, he did.

Deleted member 5849 · May 25, 2022

shmmeee said:
I feel like everyone just forgot Johnson got fined. It’s not just possible breaches, or if he did, he did.

He did, and I'm happy to accept that on the others he didn't, however odd that looks on the outside. As he was at some of the others however, the claim there were no parties is an obvious lie. Unsurprising, but a resigning matter in itself.

Brighton Sky Blue · May 25, 2022

shmmeee said:
I feel like everyone just forgot Johnson got fined. It’s not just possible breaches, or if he did, he did.

We went over time from

‘There were no parties’ to ‘well there were, but it was at work so it’s ok’, to ‘well we technically broke the law and got fined’, to ‘come on we tried our best’.

It’s proven he lied, it’s proven he broke the law, and as always he carries on waiting for it to blow over as his own party hasn’t got the balls to chuck him out.

PVA · May 25, 2022

skybluetony176 · May 25, 2022

Mark Harper summing the whole situation up very well here

I think if Boris does go whoever takes over (assuming it’s not a current cabinet member) needs to take a clean sweep to the current cabinet. As Mark Harper points out they’ve all gone out on TV and made themselves culpable with their dribbling nonsense defence. Yesterday being the pinnacle so far with a claim that he was grieving the loss of his mother at the time of the photo only for her inconveniently still be alive at that time. Nothing is sacred to these morons, including the memory of the Boris’ own mother. The government is broken beyond repair. Whether you think the parties are fluff or not is irrelevant, the response alone should be enough for anyone of any intelligence to be repulsed enough to want drastic change in the government.

CCFCSteve · May 25, 2022

skybluetony176 said:
Mark Harper summing the whole situation up very well here

I think if Boris does go whoever takes over (assuming it’s not a current cabinet member) needs to take a clean sweep to the current cabinet. As Mark Harper points out they’ve all gone out on TV and made themselves culpable with their dribbling nonsense defence. Yesterday being the pinnacle so far with a claim that he was grieving the loss of his mother at the time of the photo only for her inconveniently still be alive at that time. Nothing is sacred to these morons, including the memory of the Boris’ own mother. The government is broken beyond repair. Whether you think the parties are fluff or not is irrelevant, the response alone should be enough for anyone of any intelligence to be repulsed enough to want drastic change in the government.

You would’ve thought they’d have learned from Day 1 of partygate. If Johnson had come out, been honest about it to start with, we might’ve avoided months worth of this shitstorm.

They literally have to backtrack a couple of days later every time they say something, so what’s the point

clint van damme · May 25, 2022

CCFCSteve said:
You would’ve thought they’d have learned from Day 1 of partygate. If Johnson had come out, been honest about it to start with, we might’ve avoided months worth of this shitstorm.

They literally have to backtrack a couple of days later every time they say something, so what’s the point

They should have learnt from the Owen Patterson debacle.

skybluetony176 · May 25, 2022

clint van damme said:
They should have learnt from the Owen Patterson debacle.

They should have learnt from lying to the queen to illegally prorogue parliament. And probably a dozen incidents since. The standards within this government were laid bare from day one. The standards of the PM have been known since long before that.

TomRad85 · May 25, 2022

clint van damme said:
They should have learnt from the Owen Patterson debacle.

Totally agree. Just because he's from Cov doesn't mean we were ever going to sign him.

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skybluetony176 · May 25, 2022

I think this is a really important point. If people including Tory MP’s are genuinely concerned about the cost of living, Ukraine etc. don’t go out and promote the distraction from that, actively remove that distraction

RegTheDonk · May 25, 2022

Liquid Gold said:
I know what you mean mate.

I'm always furious people coming round my house ordering food and drink and staying up all night while I take no part (apart from the photos)

Well if you work from home, that's the risk

PVA · May 25, 2022

So these are the pictures of the event Johnson was fined for.

Compare them to the photos released yesterday and tell me the Met aren't bent @Grendel

skybluetony176 · May 25, 2022

So at these work events people were drinking until they were sick, fighting, people been kicked out of No.10 at 3am only to carry on in the garden.

Oh. And some of the work events went on past 4am.

CCFCSteve · May 25, 2022

PVA said:
So these are the pictures of the event Johnson was fined for.

Compare them to the photos released yesterday and tell me the Met aren't bent @Grendel

Not sure you can call them bent when they’ve issued fines for the above though ?! It’s the least looking ‘party’ I’ve ever seen

CCFCSteve · May 25, 2022

skybluetony176 said:
So at these work events people were drinking until they were sick, fighting, people been kicked out of No.10 at 3am only to carry on in the garden.

Oh. And some of the work events went on past 4am.

Thats more like it

Grendel · May 25, 2022

CCFCSteve said:
Not sure you can call them bent when they’ve issued fines for the above though ?! It’s the least looking ‘party’ I’ve ever seen

Pretty solid proof it wasn't how is that any different from Starmer

skybluetony176 · May 25, 2022

CCFCSteve said:
Not sure you can call them bent when they’ve issued fines for the above though ?! It’s the least looking ‘party’ I’ve ever seen

They need to explain why some people at these events were breaking the law and others weren’t. Either they all were all they all wasn’t.

If you were being cynical you’d suggest that they were giving a quota of fines to issue.

Northants Sky Blue · May 25, 2022

Deleted member 5849 · May 25, 2022

CCFCSteve said:
Not sure you can call them bent when they’ve issued fines for the above though ?! It’s the least looking ‘party’ I’ve ever seen

Yeah, no wonder Rishi thought he was turning up for a meeting!

Mind you, you've never been to our work Christmas 'parties'. They're soul destroying!

fatso · May 25, 2022

Brighton Sky Blue said:
If one is needed and, like for this one, a vast amount of clinical data exists on its efficacy and safety, then yes I would be. Did you ever get round to getting a Covid jab?

No. in all seriousness, I'm not in a at risk group, i have no underlying medical conditions, the survival rates for my demographic are in excess of 99% so I decided the potential risk of any side effects or (potential) long term effects of a vaccine outweighed the advantages, (for me personally) so I decided not to get a vaccine.
My Mrs and daughters ( one with asthma) all had both vaccines and boosters.
In the end we all caught covid eventually and all (thankfully) recovered quickly and have no long term issues. I'm happy with my decision, as are the family with theirs.

I'm not a covid deniar, conspiracy theorist (as such) or anti-vaxer, I just took a personal decision based on my situation.
I'm not looking for vindication of my decision, or looking to persecute the majority of the population that did get the vaccines. Each to their own.

As one who isn't vaccinated, my biggest concern is the restrictions placed on international travel, but thankfully those are now lifting, although I will have to take a test before travelling to Greece this summer, which I'm more than happy to comply with.

As for monkey pox though ..........

fatso · May 25, 2022

Northants Sky Blue said:

Sounds like a good bash tbf, I'll have 2 tickets for the next one please!

duffer · May 25, 2022

The magic phrase isn't 'party', it's 'gathering'.

It did not need to be a party, the law was about gathering indoors for anything other than the purposes of work. The guidelines specifically banned works Christmas parties.

Quite obviously, and as stated by the report, and shown in the photos these gatherings were not for work purposes. Boris attended some and was aware of the others.

He's lied to Parliament about it, been fined for it, and been held directly responsible by the Gray report for it, and yet apparently he's still got the support of the vast majority of the Tory party.

That should tell you enough about their actual attitude to law and order (basically that the rules apply to us but not them).

CCFCSteve · May 25, 2022

Deleted member 5849 said:
Yeah, no wonder Rishi thought he was turning up for a meeting!

Mind you, you've never been to our work Christmas 'parties'. They're soul destroying!

I bet the poor fucker didn’t even eat one of the M&S sarnies

Northants Sky Blue · May 25, 2022

"Two or more people were banned from meeting indoors at the time, with an exception allowed for gatherings that were “reasonably necessary” for “work purposes” "

Northants Sky Blue said:

PVA · May 25, 2022

CCFCSteve said:
Not sure you can call them bent when they’ve issued fines for the above though ?! It’s the least looking ‘party’ I’ve ever seen

Exactly, that's the point!

If they can issue a fine for this how on earth can they not issue a fine for the leaving party that we saw yesterday? It's such blatant collusion.

RegTheDonk · May 25, 2022

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
How many times has it been said that the regulations were different for Johson's and Starmer's incidents.

Of course if either had broken any of the regulations in place at the time they should resign. i just find it a bit suss that when saying not sticking up for Johnson you then immediately follow it by mentioning Starmer's possible breach (rather than Johnson's numerous possible breaches)

Sus? LOL, so we can rule out splinters causing my piles?

Deleted member 5849 · May 25, 2022

CCFCSteve said:
I bet the poor fucker didn’t even eat one of the M&S sarnies

Was only 20 minutes, too!

Does seem utterly bizarre in the grand scheme of things that that's the one he's fined for. I'd have a certain sympathy with the narrative that his wife surprised them with that, and it does all look very much like a pre-meeting biscuit or something... so what on earth does that one have that some of the other (far more interesting!) parties don't?!?

stupot07 · May 25, 2022

Northants Sky Blue said:

Nothing to see here...but, but, but, but....

Cunts the lot of them..

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djr8369 · May 25, 2022

rob9872 said:
That's awfully sad Otis and if I thought for one minute Boris raising a glass to sat farewell to a colleague at the end of a working day would mean that you wouldn't have had to endure that or the old lady could have attended, I'd be right with you, but it clearly isn't the case.

It appears opinion is skewed based on whether people want him or not. the police have investigated and I don't believe for one minute they're as corrupt these days with so many standards to uphold and whistleblowers waiting for their moment to shine. If they deem that there isn't a case to answer, then I don't see why this instance should be big news, particularly after the same crowd suggesting Starmer and Rayner weren't at a party, despite booze, food and at 10pm no work done afterwards. Fwiw I don't have an issue with him doing that either, only raising for balance.

It's also incredibly disingenuous to wait for the report and then drip-feed another photo now. Have they suddenly come across this two years after an event when the whole partygate issue has already been rumbling on for close to a year? If there is more evidence get it out there. If there isn't then allow people to move on and govern. Whether you want them or not, I'm sure we can all agree that the time is better spent trying to implement policy and legislation over answering to yet another party accusation.

I'll now retreat for a period whilst the usual pile on ensues to pull this apart, extracts the part they disagree with and quotes it back to tell me it's all Boris' fault and gets 10 likes from all concerned.

I can’t understand how you can try and defend this but the audacity you display in the last para is genuinely unbelievable.

Deleted member 5849 · May 25, 2022

So on reflection, skimming the report, and looking at those birthday 'party'pictures, it does indeed seem a tactical error by Labour going so hard so early on certain things. The lying, the allowing them to happen regularly, and the duplicity are what should do for Boris Johnson. Not him drinking a can of coke!

CCFCSteve · May 25, 2022

PVA said:
Exactly, that's the point!

If they can issue a fine for this how on earth can they not issue a fine for the leaving party that we saw yesterday? It's such blatant collusion.

It’s all very strange but if they were bent I’m sure they could’ve avoided issuing fines for that one pictured. I’d be livid if I was sunak as I think that was his only one…bit unlucky to say the least

Deleted member 5849 · May 25, 2022

CCFCSteve said:
It’s all very strange but if they were bent I’m sure they could’ve avoided issuing fines for that one pictured. I’d be livid if I was sunak

I tend to agree!

tbf, nobody has *really* gone after him for that in the same way Johnson, which shows the wider context. And I'm still cynical enough to wonder if it was something Johnson said on his form that got Sunak the fine, along the lines of taking down a possible leadership rival.

djr8369 · May 25, 2022

Let’s not kid ourselves that working through lockdown is the same as this or was “business as usual”.

I worked through the lockdowns and only the minimum number of people were on-site. There was no socialising, no lunches together, no moving around without masks on. Most companies followed the spirit of the rules and had similar restrictions.

SBT · May 25, 2022

Deleted member 5849 said:
So on reflection, skimming the report, and looking at those birthday 'party'pictures, it does indeed seem a tactical error by Labour going so hard so early on certain things. The lying, the allowing them to happen regularly, and the duplicity are what should do for Boris Johnson. Not him drinking a can of coke!

Looks like a can of Estrella to me…

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