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[PVA]

Kuenssberg has gone off message!

She's just pissed off she wasn't invited to 'Wine time'

 

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[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

It is so strange to be on the same side of people in this thread that I normally argue with on most off topic chat subjects.

 

[David O'Day]

if true then johnson is just going to be a massive electoral drain for the tories, this and his inability to act on the cost of living

 

[clint van damme]

It is so strange to be on the same side of people in this thread that I normally argue with on most off topic chat subjects.

You must be mistaken, it's a left wing echo chamber.

 

[PVA]

Kuenssberg has gone off message!

Turns out she hasn't.

This Panorama is just a Johnson puff piece. Describes him as the most gifted politician in a generation and tries to paint him as the hero of Ukraine.

Healthy dose of 'but Labour' too.

Pathetic stuff.

 

[Otis]

You asked whether Otis was responsible for the 31st person. Course he could have done it would have been absolutely the right thing to do

I did all but beg the church official to allow this one, 31st person, but they refused. They were determined to stick to the rules that had been laid down.

I didn't think just one more would have made that much of a difference, but the church were very worried they would get into trouble.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I did all but beg the church official to allow this one, 31st person, but they refused. They were determined to stick to the rules that had been laid down.

I didn't think just one more would have made that much of a difference, but the church were very worried they would get into trouble.

I know I’m sorry. Grendel like Boris doesn’t give a shit

 

[PVA]

But what if some hypothetical nurses had hypothetical leaving drinks at the end of their hypothetical shift? /Rob

 

[CCFCSteve]

But what if some hypothetical nurses had hypothetical leaving drinks at the end of their hypothetical shift? /Rob

I reckon Grays report and additional revelations could well lead to a no confidence vote (Johnson won’t resign). Could be an interesting few days

 

[stupot07]

I'm convinced kuenssberg and Johnson have had a fling in the past, she talks like she wants to jump his bones. Flawed genius, most gifted politician of the last 40-50 years.


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[PVA]

Spend months telling us there's nothing they can do.

Then on the eve of Sue Grey report they decide they can do something.

Convenient!

 

[stupot07]

Spend months telling us there's nothing they can do.

Then on the eve of Sue Grey report they decide they can do something.

Convenient!

windfall tax here you come.

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[Liquid Gold]

I can’t work out if Johnson breaking the rules is down to:

Duffer
The Met
Durham Police
Thatcher
Sadiq Khan
PVA
Dominic Cummings
Kier Starmer
SBT

Can someone clear up if it’s any of these or just the prime minister continuing his lifetime of being a c**t who thinks rules don’t apply to him.

 

[Ian1779]

I'm convinced kuenssberg and Johnson have had a fling in the past, she talks like she wants to jump his bones. Flawed genius, most gifted politician of the last 40-50 years.


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To be fair she takes her role as Secretary of State for Propaganda very seriously.

 

[PVA]

I can’t work out if Johnson breaking the rules is down to:

Duffer
The Met
Durham Police
Thatcher
Sadiq Khan
PVA
Dominic Cummings
Kier Starmer
SBT

Can someone clear up if it’s any of these or just the prime minister continuing his lifetime of being a c**t who thinks rules don’t apply to him.

You missed off nurses having a hypothetical drink and bosses in open plan offices having a meeting.

Both are valid reasons for Johnson breaking the law. Apparently.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

This is of course all jolly good fun but let’s be real for one second and not in the SBT playground

If say Johnson slashed income tax tomorrow and we rode out the crises and everyone was better off he could have had lap dancers on expenses at this “party” abs he’d win the next election. He could have lived like a monk during it and the county is a basket case and he will lose it

That’s real politics

Johnson knowingly and delibrately broke rules he set because he doen't think rules apply to him and the country is a fucking basket case because of the way he's running it.

That's real politics.

Yet you're often talking about his large majority and how it will be nearly impossible for Labour to overcome that. Which kind of makes your argument a load of bollocks,

 

[Grendel]

Johnson knowingly and delibrately broke rules he set because he doen't think rules apply to him and the country is a fucking basket case because of the way he's running it.

That's real politics.

Yet you're often talking about his large majority and how it will be nearly impossible for Labour to overcome that. Which kind of makes your argument a load of bollocks,

Well it is nearly impossible for an overall majority and I’ve said many times some northern seats will always be lost - strategically to secure them brexit doubts need to be raised regarding Starmer

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I don't think he should resign!
If he broke the law he should face the consequences, the same as every one else, which is a fine as I understand it.
Are you going to force everyone in public office who attended these so called parties to resign? If so there wouldn't be many of the fuckers left. (possibly a good thing)
Meanwhile this sad debacle is now overshadowing every issue that now faces us, such as the increasing reliance on food banks, and the increasing numbers who can't heat their homes. Not to mention rapidly rising inflation, the imminent recession, and the ongoing war in Ukrain etc etc.

And who is largely responsible for all of this?

Plus the difference is that he is supposed to be the main person in charge and the one ultimately responsible for setting the rules. If he then can't be arsed to keep to them then yes, in his instance it should be a resignation because he no longer has the moral authority to set the laws and people will be more likely to ignore them in future. In other words, not wanting him to resign is voting for anarchy.

Fucking grow up.

Do you honestly believe for one minute that they wernt all breaking the rules at some point, do you really believe that ALL the rules regarding burials etc wernt completely OTT. OF course they fucking were.
We can all agree that the gatherings the drinks and the takeaways were reprehensible, but we have given these muppets a mandate to run the country, and believe it or not, we have more fucking issues that need addressing.

If both party leaders resign, it won't change what happened, it will just change the names of those who you are screaming at to resign.

I see you're falling for the rhetoric of saying they're all at it so don't trust any of them. The argument used by those doing the worst offending.

As for having 'more fucking issues that need addressing', as I said above who the fuck is mainly responsible for them? And doing absolutely fuck all to sort them out unless he or someone he knows gets something out of it?

 

[fatso]

I think the anti vax shite you posted before disqualifies you from comment to be honest

No doubt you'll be first in the queue for the monkey pox jab.

 

[Liquid Gold]

 

[fatso]

You've already said you're happy to tolerate lies and criminality from our MPs because they're basically all the same.

I don't need a high horse to rise above that, to get out of the gutter you just need to step on the kerb.

I didn't say I was happy to tolerate the BS, I'm saying that's what happens, no amount of sabre rattling on here is going to change it.
Meanwhile, while you cry over yesterday's issue, the queue at the food bank gets longer. Maybe you have enough money to not be bothered by it. I'd sooner the cost of living crisis was the major headline.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I didn't say I was happy to tolerate the BS, I'm saying that's what happens, no amount of sabre rattling on here is going to change it.
Meanwhile, while you cry over yesterday's issue, the queue at the food bank gets longer. Maybe you have enough money to not be bothered by it. I'd sooner the cost of living crisis was the major headline.

And the food bank queue is getting longer because those in government don't actually give a fuck.

 

[fatso]

And the food bank queue is getting longer because those in government don't actually give a fuck.

Possibly, but we arnt even asking them that question. I'd sooner ask that than what did you drink with your birthday cake!

 

[Grendel]

If Amazon hadn’t stopped open who would have sold all the toilet roll to Germany to make sure the shortage really bit.

Astute made all the toilet rolls in the world

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

No doubt you'll be first in the queue for the monkey pox jab.

If one is needed and, like for this one, a vast amount of clinical data exists on its efficacy and safety, then yes I would be. Did you ever get round to getting a Covid jab?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Well well.

RMT union votes for a national rail strike - BBC News

 

[skybluetony176]

Possibly, but we arnt even asking them that question. I'd sooner ask that than what did you drink with your birthday cake!

There is a flip side to that. It’s clear the government don’t want to take “drastic” measures to help with the cost of living crisis. Just tonight the tune is changing. Why? They need a distraction from the drinks and birthday cake questions. Ironically them doing the wrong thing and people not shutting up about it may ultimately force them to do the right things regarding the cost of living crisis.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So are the Durham police bent?

Well let's consider some of the things to have happened on the Met's watch

A strip search of a 15 year old black girl where she was forced to remove a sanitary towel
Sharing photos and selfies of murder scenes
Dismissing a black man's complaints of not being able to breathe as 'nonsense'
Various officers charged with sexual offences, in a number of cases committed over a period of years
Thousands of complaints over the misuse of stop and search
Trying to legally challenge a vigil over Sarah Everard who of course got murdered by a member of the Met

And above all, the acting replacement for Cressida Dick acknowledging that there is a wider problem in the force beyond some rogue characters. The £50 fine for certain people when others were fined £10,000 and booted out of university is the icing on the cake.

 

[skybluetony176]

Well let's consider some of the things to have happened on the Met's watch

A strip search of a 15 year old black girl where she was forced to remove a sanitary towel
Sharing photos and selfies of murder scenes
Dismissing a black man's complaints of not being able to breathe as 'nonsense'
Various officers charged with sexual offences, in a number of cases committed over a period of years
Thousands of complaints over the misuse of stop and search
Trying to legally challenge a vigil over Sarah Everard who of course got murdered by a member of the Met

And above all, the acting replacement for Cressida Dick acknowledging that there is a wider problem in the force beyond some rogue characters. The £50 fine for certain people when others were fined £10,000 and booted out of university is the icing on the cake.

Stephen Laurence
Daniel Morgan

 

[RegTheDonk]

People at the gathering got a FPN, others didn’t. The Met needs to explain that.

Perhaps those fined were there all night, got pissed up and needed a taxi home? Maybe they were the ones organsing it and ordering the pizza or popping round to bargin booze or whatever this lot get up to. I honestly don't know and if he's got off with it, maby he wasn't the party animal most people want him to be. IMHO the Met shouldn't divulge anything that doesn't legally need to be in the public domain, that's a violation of data protection and could break of the trust of those offering evidence. People moan about plod, but expect them to break the law when it suits. If Durham do/don't fine Sir K, that's their business.

 

[RegTheDonk]

these parties you had, were they during a time of lockdown? all gatherings were banned so just attending is against the regulations.

No they weren't during lockdown. Just making the point that if he hasn't been fined, maybe he was asked to come in and make a speech for the person departing. Not sticking up for Boris at all but if just attending is against regs, Durham plod must make sure they fine Sir K too.

 

[SBT]

Duffer believes the Met are bent - he’s a moron best pity and ignore

I’m sure a concerted campaign by Boris’ team to get the public to trust in the upstanding integrity of the Met would be a real vote-winner.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Perhaps those fined were there all night, got pissed up and needed a taxi home? Maybe they were the ones organsing it and ordering the pizza or popping round to bargin booze or whatever this lot get up to. I honestly don't know and if he's got off with it, maby he wasn't the party animal most people want him to be. IMHO the Met shouldn't divulge anything that doesn't legally need to be in the public domain, that's a violation of data protection and could break of the trust of those offering evidence. People moan about plod, but expect them to break the law when it suits. If Durham do/don't fine Sir K, that's their business.

I know what you mean mate.

I'm always furious people coming round my house ordering food and drink and staying up all night while I take no part (apart from the photos)

 

[stupot07]

Stephen Laurence
Daniel Morgan

Stephen Port

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

No they weren't during lockdown. Just making the point that if he hasn't been fined, maybe he was asked to come in and make a speech for the person departing. Not sticking up for Boris at all but if just attending is against regs, Durham plod must make sure they fine Sir K too.

How many times has it been said that the regulations were different for Johson's and Starmer's incidents.

Of course if either had broken any of the regulations in place at the time they should resign. i just find it a bit suss that when saying not sticking up for Johnson you then immediately follow it by mentioning Starmer's possible breach (rather than Johnson's numerous possible breaches)