Brighton Sky Blue
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His line of 'some people now think Labour is better' showed the kind of leadership his party needs
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His line of 'some people now think Labour is better' showed the kind of leadership his party needs
fernandopartridge
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What's the end game here for any of the Starmer stans?
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clint van damme
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I know they're not vote winners but this country is facing some massive challenges.
Food security.
Energy costs and energy security.
A massive increase in over 65s and a reduction in the younger demographic
Crumbling waterways.
Getting brexit finished off including sorting NI.
Cost of living crisis.
Climate change.
The list goes on.
We really need politicians with some vision instead we've got a load of hapless tory flag shaggers going on about benefits and tax cuts and an opposition led by the world's wettest lettuce.
Ian1779
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Sick Boy
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I reckon it’ll end up being Truss who’ll be another disaster and revert to the nonsense culture wars and taking photos on tanks.
clint van damme
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I thought Sunak but he's not doing the hot favourite I thought he would be. Truss is 9/2.
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She wouldn't be as good at it as Johnson though.
Maybe I'm naive(!) but I'm fairly sure the party will narrow it down to two 'sane' candidates, and ignore the absolute nutters.
skybluetony176
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He says he’s outed himself as an illegal immigrant to challenge perceptions, I can’t help but feel he’s specifically talking about the government.
So apart from the NHS doctor of the year and an Olympic champion what have illegal immigrants ever done for us?
clint van damme
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I've just heard the list of her backers, it's a who's who of Tory idiocy.
David O'Day
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The parliamentary tory party is full of nutters now
Brighton Sky Blue
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skybluetony176
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Longest period of continuous growth in UK history, I see your point.
Grendel
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Can’t see it myself I doubt she will get through
I never understand why members are allowed to select leaders as they generally have no interest in electability
Members would select Starmer ahead of Hunt (they certainly would Reeves she should put her name forward) so it’s pointless getting him through
Mordaunt has second amount of backers.
Brighton Sky Blue
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You have neatly avoided this so far but who do you want to win?
Sick Boy
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I suspect he’s too busy thinking about the shower in his Tory version of the jungle programme.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I suspect he’s too busy thinking about the shower in his Tory version of the jungle programme.
I’m personally looking forward to the SneerStone
Grendel
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Im hardly avoiding it
Hunt won’t win so it’s who will stand and defeat Starmer
In thatcher and even major days most of the cabinet would have swiped Stammering Starmer away like the political Pygmy is. Times clearly have changed when the likes of Grant Shapps is in the mix. The only remarkable thing about him is his non moving hair.
Sitting in a Tank and wearing a fur hat in Estonia isn’t very convincing either.
I get the impression Javid isn’t popular - he’s again not a good speaker - nice but bland.
The fringe candidates will be gone by Thursday anyway
Where do you go? Sunak has baggage abs isn’t liked - the rich thing won’t matter - but he has enemies including Mr Johnson
So I guess penny mordaunt
Grendel
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I suspect he’s too busy thinking about the shower in his Tory version of the jungle programme.
Well one candidate has of course appeared in a swimsuit
Brighton Sky Blue
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We all know why Javid isn’t popular and it’s not because of how he speaks.
So yes Mordaunt the lady who just put out a few minutes of flag waving and no substance. Sounds right
Im not sure of the actual figure but I’ve heard the average age of Tory members is anywhere between 57-70 years old. Not ideal when someone is being picked to lead the country and address some of the longer term issues we face, like the ones Clint’s highlighted above
I’m still to hear anyone set out their vision for the country and how they plan to address the short and long term issues. Hopefully that will come.
Grendel
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No I don’t think it’s anything to do with his colour and members would vote him in ahead of hunt without doubt and they’d certainly want Sunak
he’s not popular with MPs
The gender and race mix of the candidates is something that would never happen in the Labour Party which I suppose is the most interesting thing about the line up
Not sure that’s right if you’re implying what I think you are BSB. I remember seeing polling where Sunak was most popular amongst the members until NIC increase and his wife’s tax issues
Edit - Grendel beat me to it
skybluetony176
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Don’t forget the convicted murderer.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I am basing that on the polling of Conservative members in the last leadership contest.
Two-thirds of Tory party members believe ‘parts of the UK are under sharia law’
Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt urged to combat ‘Islamophobia crisis’ in party
www.independent.co.uk
JAM See
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Sounds like just the player we need.
shmmeee
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Javid and Sunak are some of the most popular Tories and Patel one of the least. Ethnicity has nothing to do with it.
Grendel
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I am basing that on the polling of Conservative members in the last leadership contest.
Two-thirds of Tory party members believe ‘parts of the UK are under sharia law’
Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt urged to combat ‘Islamophobia crisis’ in party
johnson would have beat anyone - Sunak would have beaten hunt - Javid would and in fact how do you explain this?
Mordaunt and Badenoch way out ahead in poll of Tory members
Penny Mordaunt got 19.6 per cent, with Kemi Badenoch close second with 18.7 per cent
www.independent.co.uk
Aw diddums, someone holding your boys in blue to account and you don't like it
It either results in a general election or, far more likely, Tories (including leadership candidates) suddenly have to go back on the record supporting Johnson after spending days/weeks saying they have no confidence in him and Labour get to square it as the whole party being the problem, not just Johnson.
And it's astonishing you can accuse Starmer of showboating and time wasting after you've spent the last few years backing Johnson.
Brighton Sky Blue
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johnson would have beat anyone - Sunak would have beaten hunt - Javid would and in fact how do you explain this?
Mordaunt and Badenoch way out ahead in poll of Tory members
Penny Mordaunt got 19.6 per cent, with Kemi Badenoch close second with 18.7 per cent
Look at the polling more closely. It wasn't about race but Javid's Muslim heritage.
skybluetony176
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Javid gave it a good stab (I say good stab, I’m obviously judging him by the field) yesterday and at least doesn’t seemed to have abandoned levelling up.
He’s the only one I can see giving Labour something to worry about on current form but I doubt he’ll make the final 2. This should be a make or break leadership election for the Tories and I personally think if they don’t go for Javid they may as well go for one of the lesser known candidates as it will at least be seen as a clean sweep. I would think that Labour are hoping for Truss, she’s setting herself up as continuity Boris which may among members have some currency but I think the electorate has grown tired of him, couple that with her having neither the charisma or natural ability to lie on the hoof as Boris she’ll be a gift, even more than Sunak.