Do you want to discuss boring politics? (24 Viewers)

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · May 1, 2021

Grendel said:
Should they be banned for standing? I mean let’s be honest however educated and young you are you must be as thick as Pig shit to vote for them if it’s not because you believe in them?

Not entirely sure what your point is on being banned from standing.

People vote for all sorts of reasons. A lot of people will vote either Con or Lab because they see it as a two party system and if they don't vote for the one of those they're most closely aligned to them you're going to end up with the other much less palatable option. Not that you believe in them, just they're slightly more preferable to the alternative. If you pay attention most often what you'll hear for the voting is 'I can't/won't vote for the other party'. It's not an endorsement or belief in who they're voting for, it's a rejection of the alternative.

As has been pointed out there a lots of people who seem to state what they want and that they're voting Con despite their policy being totally at odds with that. That's down to more effective campaigning/'marketing' and having a lot of MSM, esp print media behind you pushing your narrative or spinning it in your favour.

Take my auntie. Over the years she's been classic leftie - supported/organised strike action, been to demo's and protests on stuff from vivisection to CND and still does occassionally despite now being a pensioner. Yet she reads the Daily Mail because her dad did and its shows. He views on stuff like immigration and economics, which she's not clued up about at all, are pretty much taken verbatim from the Mail.

shmmeee · May 1, 2021

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Thing I find hard to tally in that is that Con voters are so out of step with public opinion overall, but as Tories have a good majority you're left wondering how on earth can that many people disagree with them yet they win.

Only things I can come up with is lower turnout of people with those beliefs and those opinions being split between a number of parties (Lab/LD/Green/SNP to a degree etc) whereas those who don't tend to just get behind Tories as other right wing parties like UKIP/BNP etc don't tend to get quite the same, certainly in GE.

Most issues are around 50% for the plurality/majority opinion. The country is about 55% left 45% right generally. But the 55% is spread across 5/6 parties, including 2/3 reasonable large ones, and the 45% is between the Tories and one of the joke parties like Reform/BXP.

Turnout is an obvious issue as well, it’s basically the inverse of the left wing vote.

Mostly though, it’s that the Tories try and win elections and Labour try and win arguments IMO.

Evo1883 · May 1, 2021

Labour really need to try and win back the 56% (if polls are believed ) of voters in Scotland who do NOT want independence .

It's not the be all but losing Scotland massively damaged Labour's chances at a GE

Grendel · May 1, 2021

shmmeee said:
Most issues are around 50% for the plurality/majority opinion. The country is about 55% left 45% right generally. But the 55% is spread across 5/6 parties, including 2/3 reasonable large ones, and the 45% is between the Tories and one of the joke parties like Reform/BXP.

Turnout is an obvious issue as well, it’s basically the inverse of the left wing vote.

Mostly though, it’s that the Tories try and win elections and Labour try and win arguments IMO.

It’s actually 80% in the middle

shmmeee · May 1, 2021

Grendel said:
It’s actually 80% in the middle

Deoends how you define the middle, but the polls in posted show it’s clearly not. Taking the knee was the most divisive topic and it was 37/37 for and against.

It’s 80% who aren’t bothered by politics I’d give you that. But everyone has an opinion. And generally it’s “don’t be racist, and leave transwomen alone, but have some checks on becoming a transwoman”, which isn’t quite “Labour are dead forever cos of the wokeness” which was the original argument.

Deleted member 4439 · May 1, 2021

PVA said:
We're going over old ground here but it STILL hasn't been answered.

Not voting wanting to vote for Labour is fine.

But STILL nobody can answer what's then so appealing about voting Tory.

It's been answered but you have chosen to ignore or else have dismissed it out of hand, as you usually do, as well as simply being contrary in your arguments rather than debate, hence folks can't be bothered to further respond to your repeated claim.

Meanwhile, here's good news Brexit story

‘Quite a challenge’: UK restaurants and pubs face staffing crisis after Brexit

Venues aim to recruit after Covid but face lack of supply of skilled people from the EU

www.theguardian.com

Evo1883 · May 1, 2021

PVA · May 1, 2021

dubed said:
It's been answered but you have chosen to ignore or else have dismissed it out of hand, as you usually do, as well as simply being contrary in your arguments rather than debate, hence folks can't be bothered to further respond to your repeated claim.

It hasn't been answered.

Still.

Unless you're counting your bizarre aspirations claim.

mrtrench · May 1, 2021

PVA said:
It hasn't been answered.

Still.

Unless you're counting your bizarre aspirations claim.

skybluetony176 · May 1, 2021

Poor old Boris. Has he considered using food banks? I have it on good authority that they’re “rather uplifting”.

Can Boris Johnson afford to be prime minister?

Two comments made by people in Downing Street as the “cash for curtains” affair intensified sum up the predicament in which Boris Johnson finds himself this wee

www.thetimes.co.uk

shmmeee · May 2, 2021

Man is a genuine security risk. Broke, refuses to use secure comms, loves a dodgy deal, loves to sleep around.

Philosoraptor · May 2, 2021

Always good to read about a metaphorical political assassination no matter what party or who it is.

Democratic Unionists facing divisive leadership battle

Political editor Enda McClafferty says the DUP could end up with a border down the middle of the party.

www.bbc.co.uk

Philosoraptor · May 2, 2021

The favourite to take over is a 'young-earth creationist'.

Edwin Poots: My view on the earth is that it's a young earth. My view is 4000 BC.

I so like the idea of a Deity burying fossils to look millions of years old just to confuse paleontologists.

SBAndy · May 2, 2021

Evo1883 said:
View attachment 19892

For many, the 2019 GE was a watershed moment when many who couldn’t ever have imagined voting Tory actually did so due to the Brexit situation. I think now, with the fact that very little has happened on this yet to spur the taste, many of those people no longer see what the fuss is about and have more appetite to vote Tory in the future.

Someone said earlier on that the Tories try to win elections and Labour try to win arguments. I don’t think that’s the case. Labour tries to win the battle of morality constantly, refusing to properly go after the bluster of “no one cares about X” or “we’re just getting on with the job”. I think back to the 2019 GE and how it was basically a Brexit referendum by proxy, and not once can I recall Labour making clear that it wasn’t a one-policy issue and how ridiculous the Tories’ manifesto was - almost like a colouring book.

Until they stop trying to play super-nice all the time and start calling things as they see them, they will struggle.

SBAndy · May 2, 2021

SBAndy said:
For many, the 2019 GE was a watershed moment when many who couldn’t ever have imagined voting Tory actually did so due to the Brexit situation. I think now, with the fact that very little has happened on this yet to spur the taste, many of those people no longer see what the fuss is about and have more appetite to vote Tory in the future.

Someone said earlier on that the Tories try to win elections and Labour try to win arguments. I don’t think that’s the case. Labour tries to win the battle of morality constantly, refusing to properly go after the bluster of “no one cares about X” or “we’re just getting on with the job”. I think back to the 2019 GE and how it was basically a Brexit referendum by proxy, and not once can I recall Labour making clear that it wasn’t a one-policy issue and how ridiculous the Tories’ manifesto was - almost like a colouring book.

Until they stop trying to play super-nice all the time and start calling things as they see them, they will struggle.

Edit: but now the Tories have essentially taken control even of the BBC news agenda, Labour are pretty fucked.

Grendel · May 2, 2021

PVA said:
Take your pick. Every little 'fact' you've come up with this morning has proven to be rubbish. Especially the one about Facebook age groups.

Er no it isn’t

UK Facebook users by age group 2025 | Statista

Users aged 25 to 34 years old made up the largest audience of Facebook in the United Kingdom in January 2025, accounting for 24.7 percent of all users.

www.statista.com

I’ve already provided this

Grendel · May 2, 2021

PVA is amazing - be actually seems to believe statistics and links should not be used and it’s just whatever PVA sees or assumes that is then correct

PVA · May 2, 2021

Grendel said:
Er no it isn’t

UK Facebook users by age group 2025 | Statista

Users aged 25 to 34 years old made up the largest audience of Facebook in the United Kingdom in January 2025, accounting for 24.7 percent of all users.

www.statista.com

I’ve already provided this

What do you think that link proves?

mrtrench · May 2, 2021

PVA said:
What do you think that link proves?

PVA · May 2, 2021

Have you just learned how to use gifs or something?

shmmeee · May 2, 2021

PVA said:
Have you just learned how to use gifs or something?

You’re just being a woke liberal leftie metropolitan who doesn’t understand the working man’s way of communicating.

In this article for Spiked ~~mrtrench~~ Brendan O’Neil argues...

PVA · May 2, 2021

shmmeee said:
You’re just being a woke liberal leftie metropolitan who doesn’t understand the working man’s way of communicating.

In this article for Spiked ~~mrtrench~~ Brendan O’Neil argues...

That's true.

I guess that's what happens when you go to university and get brainwashed by the non stop extreme-left Marxist communist snowflake woke liberal trans curriculum that UK education has been infiltrated by.

What we need is to elect people who can really connect with the working man. Maybe the son of a toolmaker? No. Let's choose Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees Mogg. Yes, much better.

Sick Boy · May 2, 2021

Evo1883 said:
There are literally thousands of posts on twitter right now telling people if they vote conservatives then they are racist...idiots...thick....hate poor people... hate this hate that etc etc...same every election

Now I don't vote tory , but I'm not about to tell people that their vote means they are a wanker

Both sides are as bad as the other on there, it’s a cesspit.

skybluetony176 · May 2, 2021

The only age groups where Facebook users are growing is the older age groups (over 65 especially). In the younger groups the numbers are in decline and under 20 its just seen as something old people do. A bit like how smoking woodbines was seen as something old people did by the B&H generation.

PVA · May 2, 2021

skybluetony176 said:
The only age groups where Facebook users are growing is the older age groups (over 65 especially). In the younger groups the numbers are in decline and under 20 its just seen as something old people do. A bit like how smoking woodbines was seen as something old people did by the B&H generation.

Quite.

But Grendel thinks that's 'just rubbish' and apparently proved it's rubbish by posting the current numbers, without a comparison to previous years.

Grendel · May 2, 2021

Oh dear dumber has joined dumb this morning

Grendel · May 2, 2021

PVA said:
Quite.

But Grendel thinks that's 'just rubbish' and apparently proved it's rubbish by posting the current numbers, without a comparison to previous years.

Jesus Christ are you honestly this stupid

skybluetony176 · May 2, 2021

PVA said:
Quite.

But Grendel thinks that's 'just rubbish' and apparently proved it's rubbish by posting the current numbers, without a comparison to previous years.

Here’s a better link that lets you look past the headline of what the biggest group is

Facebook UK Statistics (2021) | Latest Facts and Figures | Social Films

Get the latest Facebook statistics for the United Kingdom. We've analysed who uses Facebook, their average age and gender in this comprehensive UK guide.

www.socialfilms.co.uk

PVA · May 2, 2021

skybluetony176 said:
Here’s a better link that lets you look past the headline of what the biggest group is

Facebook UK Statistics (2021) | Latest Facts and Figures | Social Films

Get the latest Facebook statistics for the United Kingdom. We've analysed who uses Facebook, their average age and gender in this comprehensive UK guide.

www.socialfilms.co.uk

I posted that to him yesterday and he ignored it.

Still is apparently.

wingy · May 2, 2021

Dah looks like a spellbinding Sunday Lol.
Sun's out
Get out and about boy's!

Grendel · May 2, 2021

PVA said:
I posted that to him yesterday and he ignored it.

Still is apparently.

You stated “Facebook is full of over 50 right wing posters”

80% of users are not over 50 and I can’t see a single bit of evidence to suggest the political statement at all

facebook is full of users under 50 and hasn’t Tony also said it’s not over 50’s growing but an older generation?

Brighton Sky Blue · May 2, 2021

wingy said:
Dah looks like a spellbinding Sunday Lol.
Sun's out
Get out and about boy's!

Cricket match starts approx 1.30. BSB holes out to mid wicket approx 1.45, game over around 2.30, back in time to see who won in Grendel v PVA at 3

PVA · May 2, 2021

Grendel said:
You stated “Facebook is full of over 50 right wing posters”

80% of users are not over 50 and I can’t see a single bit of evidence to suggest the political statement at all

facebook is full of users under 50 and hasn’t Tony also said it’s not over 50’s growing but an older generation?

Figure of speech old boy. Of course it isn't literally full of over 50s.

I said more older people are joining and more younger people are staying away.

This is a fact.

clint van damme · May 2, 2021

wingy said:
Dah looks like a spellbinding Sunday Lol.
Sun's out
Get out and about boy's!

Sat in the garden as we speak.
It really is a beautiful day.

Grendel · May 2, 2021

PVA said:
Figure of speech old boy. Of course it isn't literally full of over 50s.

I said more older people are joining and more younger people are staying away.

This is a fact.

You said over 50’s The Tonester says over 65’s - so ok that was nonsense then as it’s actually in a room of 10 only 2 are 50 plus

What about the other “fact” regarding right wing news items? Anything to support that at all?

Do you want to discuss boring politics? (24 Viewers)

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Deleted member 4439

Guest

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Super Moderator

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Users who are viewing this thread

Privacy & Transparency

Privacy & Transparency