Otis
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Good point. And I don't know the answer.
Good point. And I don't know the answer.It’d be interesting to know whether once someone’s genitals have been changed, whether or not they’d then be allowed to enter a specific area?
What is that person concerned about happening? Being assaulted? Because you’ve both said that’s not what it’s about.
Come to a game with us some time and you can have that conversation yourself. Germaine Greer who is a feminist of a previous era has written pretty strongly on this topic to the point of expressing openly transphobic views.
You have also said it’s not about men just trying to abuse access to women in unisex areas by claiming to be female-so what is it about? Genuinely, as I don’t understand.
No, it's just another example of how superficial you are
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It’d be interesting to know whether once someone’s genitals have been changed, whether or not they’d then be allowed to enter a specific area?
OK.
The main thing for second wave feminists is replacing sex with gender.
They’ve spent their entire polticial lives fighting gender. The idea that they have to behave a certain way to be a woman, that being hairier, louder, stronger, taller makes them “less womanly”.
They’ve also been fighting for safe spaces for domestic violence and rape victims and better justice in the justice system due to the hugely different offending profiles between men and women.
Then along comes a movement that says “no, what makes you a woman is pretty dresses and a lot of tits” and “sex is a spectrum do tall women and short men are “less womanly/manly”. That reifies gender as not only real but the most important metric to judge humans by in society.
And it’s full of bollocks. While feminists have spent decades learning, researching, winning policy debates, grounding their arguments in fact and philosophical debate. This is just a load of tumblr teens writ large who waffle on about clownfish.
But it’s rich white middle class men and media and corporate backed and it’s clever enough to use gender which a lot of law uses as a euphemism for sex to try and push this stuff without debate into law. Meanwhile the number of teenage girls chopping their tits off because they don’t conform to gender skyrockets. All the while while we have no longitudinal evidence for medical or psychological interventions.
In the context of women being assaulted or worse, yes. But you said this isn’t about assault-so what is it?
Though for the record yeah whenever my wife is walking home on her own she changes her route and calls me or her family in case something happens.
It’d be pretty extreme in that case to treat them as their original gender.Good point. And I don't know the answer.
The pretty clear implication there being that women should implicitly have something to fear from trans women.
I’ve not seen evidence that trans women are routinely responsible for women’s spaces becoming more dangerous, but the way this debate is being presented (by the Tory party, of all people!) is doing a wonderful job of demonising them regardless.
This is just a load of tumblr teens writ large who waffle on about clownfish.
It’d be interesting to know whether once someone’s genitals have been changed, whether or not they’d then be allowed to enter a specific area?
What has a part time crossdresser got to do with someone who’s undergone surgery?Do you agree with this viewpoint?
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I’m concerned about the woman’s right or in this case a 14 year old girls right to say she felt uncomfortable in that scenario
I’m sure you said men should cross the road if they walk near a single woman in a dark street
So she’d call you when fully clothed but would have no issue whatsoever if a guy walks into a communal shower stark bollock naked and think - “ah your a trans that’s cool”
What has a part time crossdresser got to do with someone who’s undergone surgery?
Yeah it kind of feels like all trans people are sexual predators to me. A few decades ago it would have been the same kind of conservation about gay men.If this isn’t about assault then what is it about?
You just quoted a post of mine talking about surgery.We aren’t talking about surgery?
Tory culture war is clearly working anyway...
If this isn’t about assault then what is it about?
its about a woman’s right to not share a communal space with a man so if a 14 year old girl was exposed to by a man identified as a woman is it a problem as it’s a woman?
You just quoted a post of mine talking about surgery.
A part time crossdresser is very different to what I’m talking about.
Do you not find it at all strange how quickly any discussion of trans people immediately pivots to talk of serial killers and sexual predators lurking in children’s showers?
OK.
The main thing for second wave feminists is replacing sex with gender.
They’ve spent their entire polticial lives fighting gender. The idea that they have to behave a certain way to be a woman, that being hairier, louder, stronger, taller makes them “less womanly”.
They’ve also been fighting for safe spaces for domestic violence and rape victims and better justice in the justice system due to the hugely different offending profiles between men and women.
Then along comes a movement that says “no, what makes you a woman is pretty dresses and a lot of tits” and “sex is a spectrum do tall women and short men are “less womanly/manly”. That reifies gender as not only real but the most important metric to judge humans by in society.
And it’s full of bollocks. While feminists have spent decades learning, researching, winning policy debates, grounding their arguments in fact and philosophical debate. This is just a load of tumblr teens writ large who waffle on about clownfish.
But it’s rich white middle class men and media and corporate backed and it’s clever enough to use gender which a lot of law uses as a euphemism for sex to try and push this stuff without debate into law. Meanwhile the number of teenage girls chopping their tits off because they don’t conform to gender skyrockets. All the while while we have no longitudinal evidence for medical or psychological interventions.
Her leadership campaign is as dead as Thatcher herself it seems
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Do you not find it at all strange how quickly any discussion of trans people immediately pivots to talk of serial killers and sexual predators lurking in children’s showers?
its about a woman’s right to not share a communal space with a man so if a 14 year old girl was exposed to by a man identified as a woman is it a problem as it’s a woman?
You’re avoiding this a lot but I think for the avoidance of doubt are you talking about concerns over assault or aren’t you? If no then what about?
Didn't you just postsomething about treating this issue with the sensitivity it deserves?
Yes, which is why I find it sad that the ‘trans issue’ in this country appears to only exist in people’s minds as something to do with prison attacks and people exposing themselves in showers. Is that what we should be thinking of when we think about the trans community?
Privacy, dignity, the right to assemble without an chaperone.
Yes, which is why I find it sad that the ‘trans issue’ in this country appears to only exist in people’s minds as something to do with prison attacks and people exposing themselves in showers. Is that what we should be thinking of when we think about the trans community?
Isn’t all of this something which has originated from an American culture war?
You’re avoiding this a lot but I think for the avoidance of doubt are you talking about concerns over assault or aren’t you? If no then what about?
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