Brighton Sky Blue
Well-Known Member
Williamson, Hancock, Gove, etc etc
Green policy is popular. That’s why the Tories had to pretend they cared. Immigration concerns are way down.
It’s the basics of getting elected and none of it is anti Labour values:
- Tough on crime
- Fund the NHS/Police/Schools
- Love the country and its people
None of that requires jettisoning left wing politics, but sadly in 2021 it means distancing yourself from a lot of “left wing” people.
No one will vote for a bunch of condescending arseholes who hate you and are constantly negative.
Williamson, Hancock, Gove, etc etc
No one will vote for a bunch of condescending arseholes who hate you and are constantly negative.
Rubbish - 2017 happened because spent its entire time just saying what it’s vision was, and little to no time badmouthing the opposition. Which conversely is why the Tory campaign was so shit. All they did was badmouth the competition and offered none of their own ideas.OMG 2017 WAS A FUCKING ANOMOLY STIP TRYING TO MAKE 2017 HAPPEN ITS NEVER HAPPENING AGAIN!!
This is so frustrating. 2017 brought together a coalition of people that will never come together again and went against the worse Tory campaign ever. And still lost. It had nothing to do with policy nothing. It was a rerun of the referendum and we got residual old Labour leave votes and pissed off Tories and furious Remainers and the Corbynites and the Corbyn hating left to hold their nose and vote to try and stop Brexit.
Then purely out of interest, what made you decide to vote for another party?I don’t know if you saw but I didn’t vote Labour yesterday...
What’s your answer here? Because clearly these people do in fact win more elections than Labour. And it’s not all annoyed corbynites and teachers.
How
Then purely out of interest, what made you decide to vote for another party?
We had 3 votes where I was yesterday. I voted for 2 Lab councillors and 1 Green. Not one single party sent any literature about the local elections, which is surprising considering Northamptonshire were voting for a completely new set of councillors since the old one was shut down. I don’t know if that complete lack of effort was replicated elsewhere.How
Then purely out of interest, what made you decide to vote for another party?
How about starting, by trying to actually appeal to the electorate. That might be a good start!so trying to out-Tory the Tories is the master plan?
I agree - and I think having ideas that are popular across political divides are the way forward. But Labour currently are not offering that. They stuck an ardent remainer in as the candidate for Hartlepool and then made little or no effort to convince voters that they had an idea for the future. I think there is a justifiable argument for Brexit/vaccine bounce that would have made keeping this seat near impossible - but at least have a proper go. You only need to look at the Lab style policies that were popular in Hartlepool when surveyed. Start with that as a base.How about starting, by trying to actually appeal to the electorate. That might be a good start!
How about starting, by trying to actually appeal to the electorate. That might be a good start!
Hardly jumping in, your comments re not voting labour exactly back up my points made earlier.At local level it was because the Green councillors had done a raft of tangible things that were positive for the area and gave specific actions they would do if elected. The Labour candidates just said they were Corbynistas and gave more vague actions if elected.
Maybe don’t jump in with two feet next time
Hardly jumping in, your comments re not voting labour exactly back up my points made earlier.
Respect for voting with your head rather than just following some notion of party loyalty.
No one will vote for a bunch of condescending arseholes who hate you and are constantly negative.
BINGO!Green policy is popular. That’s why the Tories had to pretend they cared. Immigration concerns are way down.
It’s the basics of getting elected and none of it is anti Labour values:
- Tough on crime
- Fund the NHS/Police/Schools
- Love the country and its people
None of that requires jettisoning left wing politics, but sadly in 2021 it means distancing yourself from a lot of “left wing” people.
No one will vote for a bunch of condescending arseholes who hate you and are constantly negative.
BINGO!
I tell you what, Labour don't need to do a whole lot of user forums to find out why they're hated, and how they could be loved. I suspect schmmeee could give them everything they need to understand on a side of A4.
I tell you what, Labour don't need to do a whole lot of user forums to find out why they're hated, and how they could be loved. I suspect schmmeee could give them everything they need to understand on a side of A4.
People seem to be happy to vote for the Tories that labelled them a bunch of lazy bastards. Or lacking the common sense to escape a burning building.No one will vote for a bunch of condescending arseholes who hate you and are constantly negative.
Green policy is popular. That’s why the Tories had to pretend they cared. Immigration concerns are way down.
It’s the basics of getting elected and none of it is anti Labour values:
- Tough on crime
- Fund the NHS/Police/Schools
- Love the country and its people
None of that requires jettisoning left wing politics, but sadly in 2021 it means distancing yourself from a lot of “left wing” people.
No one will vote for a bunch of condescending arseholes who hate you and are constantly negative.
The Tories didnt have to fight anything to winRubbish - 2017 happened because spent its entire time just saying what it’s vision was, and little to no time badmouthing the opposition. Which conversely is why the Tory campaign was so shit. All they did was badmouth the competition and offered none of their own ideas.
Fucking glory supporter.Fucking love the tories.
The Tories didnt have to fight anything to win
If you remember, Boris completely disappeared and refused to debate publicly or even appear on tv at one stage.
It was as if his advisers told him to keep quiet and let Corbyn win the election for you!
We’re not talking about the same election here. Tories won in 2019 the minute they decided to honour the Brexit vote and Lab/LD didn’t. It wasn’t even a contest.The Tories didnt have to fight anything to win
If you remember, Boris completely disappeared and refused to debate publicly or even appear on tv at one stage.
It was as if his advisers told him to keep quiet and let Corbyn win the election for you!
Wasn't expecting Labour to come storming back in this election but its shaping up far worse for them than I could have possibly imagined. You can't blame the Brexit Party vote splitting or vaccine bounce when you're haemorrhaging voters to the Lib Dems and Greens.
Hopefully Labour will now take a step back and have a real look at how they become an effective opposition rather than blaming everything on Corbyn.
I think that's far too simplistic an outlook.We’re not talking about the same election here. Tories won in 2019 the minute they decided to honour the Brexit vote and Lab/LD didn’t. It wasn’t even a contest.
Wasn't expecting Labour to come storming back in this election but its shaping up far worse for them than I could have possibly imagined. You can't blame the Brexit Party vote splitting or vaccine bounce when you're haemorrhaging voters to the Lib Dems and Greens.
Hopefully Labour will now take a step back and have a real look at how they become an effective opposition rather than blaming everything on Corbyn.
Well if it’s elect a stand up comedian as leader we’re in good company. If that’s really all it is let’s get Frankie Boyle on the line
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