Allegedly. He has denied it.The guy that is PM said he would let bodies pile high and still comes up smelling of roses.
This is going to take a while to unpick.
You only have to look at where the remain and leave vote was over the country. Remain vote largely contained to big cities and metropolitan areas and the South. And when it came down to it Labour’s former red wall does not fit in with this breakdown. And that’s why it fell so spectacularly.I think that's far too simplistic an outlook.
The referendum was incredibly close, there were many remainers who went on and voted against labour.
If the election was purely down to Brexit, it would never od delivered an 80 seat majority.
I think it's the case that 'lovable boris' does carry some voters. But I think that to constantly ply the theme that voters are suckers does little in address the main issue, that the main opposition is unelectable. The problem for KS and Labour is that momentum is heavily entrenched and holds many seats of power, including many standing MPs. It will take years to unwind that, if possible.
Looks like a Labour civil war has been declared on Radio 4 and we've got three days of electon results to go.
Green policy is popular. That’s why the Tories had to pretend they cared. Immigration concerns are way down.
It’s the basics of getting elected and none of it is anti Labour values:
- Tough on crime
- Fund the NHS/Police/Schools
- Love the country and its people
None of that requires jettisoning left wing politics, but sadly in 2021 it means distancing yourself from a lot of “left wing” people.
No one will vote for a bunch of condescending arseholes who hate you and are constantly negative.
That's the most appalling thing really, having no clue who you're actually voting for.We had 3 votes where I was yesterday. I voted for 2 Lab councillors and 1 Green. Not one single party sent any literature about the local elections, which is surprising considering Northamptonshire were voting for a completely new set of councillors since the old one was shut down. I don’t know if that complete lack of effort was replicated elsewhere.
People seem to be happy to vote for the Tories that labelled them a bunch of lazy bastards. Or lacking the common sense to escape a burning building.
I'm not sure what it is tbf, I'm just hoping this is the equivalent of when City dropped into league 2. Bottoming out moment.
Boris lad. Rolling out the gun ships, that'll learn 'em. Tank top wearing bum boys, lol, he says what he thinks. Top shagger.Look in the Cabinet and tell me what’s so personally appealing about the individuals in it. What is it about Gavin Williamson and Matt Hancock that turns on the voters? I voted for Corbyn as leader before, I hated him not long before the election. Evo summed it up, it’s all about personality, not policies, not substantive anything.
Just ‘he seems alright’
What the Tory Party have in charge atm is an old school Liberal really - free on individual liberties, not afraid to spend if needs be, not as small state as his party.This is the most accurate post on here for a while !
People asked why did so many voted Tory at last election, I’m guessing without even reading their main manifesto promises (most are things that left/right would vote for). Those plus ‘get Brexit done’ (people wanted it out the way) and Corbyn/McDonnell perceived (probably actual) lack of patriotism...and it’s not hard to see why but I think the left can be so blinded by hating everything Tory they miss what makes the electorate tick
It’s not a lost cause for the Labour. They need to hold their nerve though (these are unusual times as discussed previously)
This is the most accurate post on here for a while !
People asked why did so many voted Tory at last election, I’m guessing without even reading their main manifesto promises (most are things that left/right would vote for). Those plus ‘get Brexit done’ (people wanted it out the way) and Corbyn/McDonnell perceived (probably actual) lack of patriotism...and it’s not hard to see why but I think the left can be so blinded by hating everything Tory they miss what makes the electorate tick
It’s not a lost cause for the Labour. They need to hold their nerve though (these are unusual times as discussed previously)
Remember Liberals and Labour split the vote though - it needed a Lib-Lab pact, but Libs hated Corbyn too much, and he wasn't going to compromise on anythingI think that's far too simplistic an outlook.
The referendum was incredibly close, there were many remainers who went on and voted against labour.
If the election was purely down to Brexit, it would never od delivered an 80 seat majority.
What the Tory Party have in charge atm is an old school Liberal really - free on individual liberties, not afraid to spend if needs be, not as small state as his party.
Whenever he goes, chances are his party shifts right given who's behind him, and that shifts certain places back Labour, especially post vaccine etc. It's very much an overreaction to a set of election results where, seemingly, there's little effort and there is undeniably a vaccine bounce but, conversely, current results show there's an appetite for social justice and lifting up - it just needs them to be authentic about it.
Starmer's selling points are that he's self-made, successful, principled, reliable. None of those are bad qualities to put forward.
Rising house prices are the election winner. That's mostly what it comes down to, that's what a sizeable proportion of the electorate care about.
That could be good news for labour.Looks like a Labour civil war has been declared on Radio 4 and we've got three days of electon results to go.
Boris lad. Rolling out the gun ships, that'll learn 'em. Tank top wearing bum boys, lol, he says what he thinks. Top shagger.
That could be good news for labour.
Something has to change for them, they cant just plod on losing one seat after another.
Sooner or later they will have to make the tough decisions and turn themselves around.
I just wonder if KS is the type of strong personality to do it.
His track record pre politics says very much yes. It's more if the machinery goes with him.I just wonder if KS is the type of strong personality to do it.
This. I fucking despair that these things are more important to the majority than funding the NHS or helping those in need.
I do not like the direction this country is heading in.
In fact with Starmer, it's maybe right person, wrong time. Put bluntly, when you have a posh Old Etonian on one side, you need a blunt northerner to face off against them. The loss of Scotland restricts the pool there too
But the Brexit party split the tory vote.Remember Liberals and Labour split the vote though - it needed a Lib-Lab pact, but Libs hated Corbyn too much, and he wasn't going to compromise on anything
Missus and I more seriously talked about emigrating today. As and when Philosorapter leads Scotland to independence
They didn't stand in areas where they thought they'd stop a Tory win.But the Brexit party split the tory vote.
It would of been a 100+ seat majority had it not been for the votes lost to them.
(as claimed by a number of statisticians at the time, but you know how statistics can say anything you want)
I don't blame you.
I would if I could but couldn't up sticks with our business.
I have a 6 month old daughter and would rather she didn't grow up under such a nationalist government only interested in lining their own pockets.
My electoral advice for Labour, in the form of a Karen FB meme:
I'm starting to feel uncomfortable agreeing with you so much !!!But they also think their workmates are lazy bastards or that they would leave a burning building.
It’s deeper than any comment. It’s a guttural feeling that the working class aren’t liked by Labour activists and some MPs. It’s born out of social activism needing to make every problem sound huge to get support IMO.
It’s the sneering at the flag. The sneering at working class culture. The sneering at voters for voting how they voted.
That’s the activist left. The political establishment soft left isn’t much better, all patronising and maternal and knows what’s best.
Immigration was just a microcosm but a good case study. People said “I don’t like the pace of change in my community” (a perfectly normal human reaction seen around the world and not rooted in racism) Labour saw it as a defect that needed fixing in people “too racist” “too easily led by the media” “too stupid to understand how important immigrants are”.
Focus on every smaller groups at the exclusion of the majority. The problem with minority identity politics is by definition it doesn’t concern a majority of people.
The closest Labour have is Jess Phillips for not hating the working class. But instead she decided to hate 49% of the population instead (I don’t think that’s true but that’s what’s received).
The left are perfectly capable of pulling their head out of their arses, having a bit of humility, and seeing the upper class as the enemy not the bloke in the pub who said “blind spot” in front of a blind person or whatever.
We talk condescendingly about the Tories putting the working class against each other but then do it ourselves all the fucking time.
Oh, even in the 70s, Harold Wilson realised that in opposition to Ted Heath, what he needed to emphasise was Northern pipe smoker, rather than Oxford educated.
You need a distinction. Blair could work because he was up against Major, Cameron wouldn't have worked against Blair, reverse the positions and Brown would have worked against an incumbent Cameron government.
Over simplified obviously, but what they need to do where they are is play on their leader's strong beliefs and willingness to fight for what he thinks is right, and the working man.
I'm starting to feel uncomfortable agreeing with you so much !!!
Missus and I more seriously talked about emigrating today. As and when Philosorapter leads Scotland to independence
I think it is and we’re on for a permanent Tory state. There is no path for victory when perception and personality politics is all that seems to count.
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