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[Brighton Sky Blue]

So...

Evo voted Labour.

Anybody else...?

I did for PCC, Green for WCC and WDC with the rare luxury of it being a Green vs Labour contest and the Tories miles off

 

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[rob9872]

Ok so I voted both for Conservative, but petty point scoring I see has now taken over from both sides as usual and the truth is it's all fairly pointless. The turnouts are an embarrassment. Often midterm people use their vote as a protest against the incumbents but the fact people can't even get up off their arse and do that speaks volumes. Unfortunately if Labour are smart about it, then it might not be a bad thing . I'd like to have seen more Labour support to keep the pressure up, with my fear now is that complacency could enable them when it counts.

 

[clint van damme]

Another thing wrong with Labour voters these days, they think people owe them an explanation of why they voted a certain way. No one owes you anything.

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Its people asking on a football message board mate, Idont think Lisa Nandy's got a login

 

[skybluetony176]

All WCC results now in

So they are. As I thought, safe safe Tory seat. They got more votes than Labour, Greens and Lib Dem’s combined so I didn’t split anything. I did get the luxury of voting with my conscience and core principles though.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

If CCFC lose a game, that's on us. You have to look at what happened during the match and ascertain how we do better next time. Blaming the opposition, their supporters, the referee, and the weather will not contribute to a more successful result next time.

Labour are getting what they deserved I think, and I have touched on this recently by saying that I personally believe a lot of people vote Tory as the 'lesser of two evils'. How much that is correct or not is a matter of opinion, but it keeps happening so there must be legs there somewhere. I don't think everyone who doesn't vote Labour is a Tory lover or whatever, but as someone touched on earlier, there seems to be those that think an explanation is owed as to why someone didn't vote in a particular way. That isn't just simply down to it being a political discussion, there is a tone and a sense of sneering which just turns people off.

Again, for the record, I voted for neither, and dislike both parties.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The turnouts are an embarrassment. Often midterm people use their vote as a protest against the incumbents but the fact people can't even get up off their arse and do that speaks volumes.

Pandemic probably doesn't help, tbf

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

If CCFC lose a game, that's on us. You have to look at what happened during the match and ascertain how we do better next time. Blaming the opposition, their supporters, the referee, and the weather will not contribute to a more successful result next time.

Labour are getting what they deserved I think, and I have touched on this recently by saying that I personally believe a lot of people vote Tory as the 'lesser of two evils'. How much that is correct or not is a matter of opinion, but it keeps happening so there must be legs there somewhere. I don't think everyone who doesn't vote Labour is a Tory lover or whatever, but as someone touched on earlier, there seems to be those that think an explanation is owed as to why someone didn't vote in a particular way. That isn't just simply down to it being a political discussion, there is a tone and a sense of sneering which just turns people off.

Again, for the record, I voted for neither, and dislike both parties.

I get that to an extent but if Labour didn’t ask they’d be accused of ‘not listening to the people’ and when they do they’re ‘demanding everyone justify the vote’.

 

[PVA]

Wow. Turns out they really did love those claps!

 

[TomRad85]

Its people asking on a football message board mate, Idont think Lisa Nandy's got a login

I specifically said voters. Although I assume she also would be a Labour voter, you would hope...

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[clint van damme]

I specifically said voters. Although I assume she also would be a Labour voter, you would hope...

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In which case the first half of the sentence still applies!

 

[rob9872]

Pandemic probably doesn't help, tbf

You'd think they'd be glad to have an excuse to get out then .... also, we're told all Tory voters are old and will have been killed off by covid so they should have less of the popular vote

 

[Skybluefaz]

Wow. Turns out they really did love those claps!

Thought people hated gesture politics? Another Labour turn off apparently.

 

[TomRad85]

In which case the first half of the sentence still applies!

The fact its a football message board is irrelevant, is how large amounts of Labour voters behave across social media in general. People don't need to explain themselves to smug, passive aggressive fuckwits online.
That doesn't apply to you, just for record. I think you're alright most the time.

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[skybluetony176]

Pandemic probably doesn't help, tbf

Looking at the votes in my own ward total votes is about the same. Anecdotal but I also know a couple of people who don’t usually vote in council elections because they can’t be arsed to go to the polling station but specifically because of Covid they’ve registered for postal voting and voted I the council elections for the first time ever.

 

[Evo1883]

Why would going woke explain the loss of votes to Lib Dem’s and Green?

The gains for the tories are humongous.

 

[skybluetony176]

The fact its a football message board is irrelevant, is how large amounts of Labour voters behave across social media in general. People don't need to explain themselves to smug, passive aggressive fuckwits online.
That doesn't apply to you, just for record. I think you're alright most the time.

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You’re probably getting wound up by bots and professional trolls . Not real people.

 

[Evo1883]

So...

Evo voted Labour.

Anybody else...?

I reckon just me by the looks of the results

 

[Evo1883]

I haven't seen Coventry as been at work , I'm guessing it's still basically Labour .

Or not announced yet

 

[TomRad85]

You’re probably getting wound up by bots and professional trolls . Not real people.

I'm not getting wound up at all, its an observation. Also, it's definitely not bots, it's very real people.

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

The gains for the tories are humongous.

Right but a lot of votes are also going to Green/LD, what would being too woke have to do with that?

 

[TomRad85]

Right but a lot of votes are also going to Green/LD, what would being too woke have to do with that?

The people disillusioned with wokeness went Tory, the ultra woke, now without their lightning rod Corbyn, went green. Leaving Labour in no man's land. The loss to anti woke was greater than the loss to woke, so evo is right.
I don't even like the term woke but I think that pretty much sums it up.

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[Ian1779]

Are we seeing a legacy of poor management at local level by Labour finally being challenged, that is being exacerbated by perceived Tory success of Brexit and vaccine program.... as in they trust the Tories now to have a go and do better?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The people disillusioned with wokeness went Tory, the ultra woke, now without their lightning rod Corbyn, went green. Leaving Labour in no man's land. The loss to anti woke was greater than the loss to woke, so evo is right.
I don't even like the term woke but I think that pretty much sums it up.

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I’m not woke at all I just wanted better local provisions and not to be laughed at by the party leader

 

[chiefdave]

there seems to be those that think an explanation is owed as to why someone didn't vote in a particular way. That isn't just simply down to it being a political discussion, there is a tone and a sense of sneering which just turns people off

Don't think those asking what the attraction is to voting Conservative are sneering, I certainly don't intend to come over that way. Its a genuine question. I look at what's happened since the Conservative came to power in 2010 and can't think of a single reason I would vote for them, if I'm missing something obvious everyone else knows I'd like to know what it is!

Think its only become a bit of a thing because its been asked multiple times and nobody seems able to answer.

 

[clint van damme]

The fact its a football message board is irrelevant, is how large amounts of Labour voters behave across social media in general. People don't need to explain themselves to smug, passive aggressive fuckwits online.
That doesn't apply to you, just for record. I think you're alright most the time.

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I'm genuinely interested and still haven't heard a salient answer on here.
On the way home I was listening to the radio and they were interviewing people on Teeside and they were giving perfectly logical explanations as to why they'd gone tory, and they're descended from people who hung a monkey!!

 

[TomRad85]

I’m not woke at all I just wanted better local provisions and not to be laughed at by the party leader

Well of course every individual has their own reasons. But I think largely, the very quick summary stands.

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[clint van damme]

I’m not woke at all I just wanted better local provisions and not to be laughed at by the party leader

I'm not sure what woke even is but I dont use derogatory racist or misogynistic terms and have no desire to.
Am I woke?

 

[stupot07]

Don't think those asking what the attraction is to voting Conservative are sneering, I certainly don't intend to come over that way. Its a genuine question. I look at what's happened since the Conservative came to power in 2010 and can't think of a single reason I would vote for them, if I'm missing something obvious everyone else knows I'd like to know what it is!

Think its only become a bit of a thing because its been asked multiple times and nobody seems able to answer.

^^this

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[stupot07]

Wow. Turns out they really did love those claps!

That speaks volumes


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[PVA]

I'm not sure what woke even is but I dont use derogatory racist or misogynistic terms and have no desire to.
Am I woke?

Anything a gnats dick to the left of far right is woke these days. Anyone who stands up for trans or gay or black people is ultra woke.

 

[Evo1883]

Right but a lot of votes are also going to Green/LD, what would being too woke have to do with that?

I'd understand your point if green and lib dems took all the labour seats ...they talk a small slice while the tories took pretty much the whole cake

 

[Evo1883]

Article by Rakib Ehsan


Last night showed yet again that large swathes of the country are sick of being treated with patronising condescension by Labour politicians and student activists. Labour was crushed in the Hartlepool by-election and suffered ward losses in multiple northern regions, with Conservatives gained control of Dudley, Nuneaton and Bedworth councils.

These areas, with their high numbers of traditional blue collar workers, are leading the charge against a woke agenda that has almost destroyed their traditional party. Working class voters are sending a clear message: they do not need a ‘political re-education’, and they reject the fundamentally warped interpretation of British society held by some of the most vocal Labour representatives.

They see that too many Labour politicians are in thrall to a toxic racialised politics, the extent of this became clear when Sir Keir Starmer ‘took the knee’ in support of Black Lives Matter. The movement's calls for the abolition of the police and a post-capitalist society reflect a crude identitarianism that carries no truck with the vast majority of Britons. Only one in ten of people in this country are in favour of reduced investment for local police forces.

Labour is also too comfortable with elements of the London elite who proudly vilify provincial voters who supported Brexit. It doesn’t help matters that Sir Keir Starmer was the chief architect of Labour’s second referendum policy – an exemplification of the metropolitan, anti-democratic tendencies which have taken hold of the party. It was, naturally, electorally disastrous.

The party had an opportunity to embrace Brexit. It could have framed the constitutional change as an opportunity to reform our democratic system of governance to empower local communities. But Starmer and his team lacked the imagination to do so.

Now, as Labour reflects on this week’s disastrous results, it must avoid the temptation to double down by embracing the ‘energetic’, but ultimately witless, Corbynite brigade. Backbench MPs such as Zarah Sultana and Nadia Whittome may be wildly popular in their social media echo-chambers, but student-style political activism goes down like a lead balloon outside of them.

One would certainly be keen to see Sultana visit Dudley and articulate why fighting racism must be part of a broader anti-capitalist strategy, or to accompany Whittome on a trip to Nuneaton, where she would no doubt attempt to explain why she struggles to condemn violent anti-police riots.

Back in the real world, the existential nature of their party’s problems should not be underestimated. Provincial market towns such as Nuneaton have historically been viewed as the ‘bellwethers’ of Middle England. With Labour rapidly evolving into a rudderless political creature, representing a foul blend of metropolitan liberalism and student-style identity politics, these areas, with their pro-Brexit, community-oriented and quietly traditional electorates, are likely to turn into solid blue territory.

Labour politicians would only have themselves to blame for such an outcome.

Many of us said this , but nobody would have it on here apart from shmmeee

 

[AOM]

Always been a pretty staunch Labour supporter, but Starmer doesn't exactly inspire much confidence does he...




Just empty rhetoric and buzzwords. What is the actual plan?

 

[PVA]

Just empty rhetoric and buzzwords. What is the actual plan?

FFS, have you seen the Prime Minister?

Pretty much everything being thrown at Labour (a lot of it rightly and fairly so) is equally applicable to the Conservatives.

The double standards are ridiculous.

 

[Evo1883]

FFS, have you seen the Prime Minister?

Pretty much everything being thrown at Labour (a lot of it rightly and fairly so) is equally applicable to the Conservatives.

The double standards are ridiculous.

whatever your views of the tories are , the country clearly prefers the Conservatives right now ..

How bad are Labour then ? That's the question