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[clint van damme]

I’m not woke at all I just wanted better local provisions and not to be laughed at by the party leader

I'm not sure what woke even is but I dont use derogatory racist or misogynistic terms and have no desire to.
Am I woke?

 

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[stupot07]

Don't think those asking what the attraction is to voting Conservative are sneering, I certainly don't intend to come over that way. Its a genuine question. I look at what's happened since the Conservative came to power in 2010 and can't think of a single reason I would vote for them, if I'm missing something obvious everyone else knows I'd like to know what it is!

Think its only become a bit of a thing because its been asked multiple times and nobody seems able to answer.

^^this

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[stupot07]

Wow. Turns out they really did love those claps!

That speaks volumes


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[PVA]

I'm not sure what woke even is but I dont use derogatory racist or misogynistic terms and have no desire to.
Am I woke?

Anything a gnats dick to the left of far right is woke these days. Anyone who stands up for trans or gay or black people is ultra woke.

 

[Evo1883]

Right but a lot of votes are also going to Green/LD, what would being too woke have to do with that?

I'd understand your point if green and lib dems took all the labour seats ...they talk a small slice while the tories took pretty much the whole cake

 

[Evo1883]

Article by Rakib Ehsan


Last night showed yet again that large swathes of the country are sick of being treated with patronising condescension by Labour politicians and student activists. Labour was crushed in the Hartlepool by-election and suffered ward losses in multiple northern regions, with Conservatives gained control of Dudley, Nuneaton and Bedworth councils.

These areas, with their high numbers of traditional blue collar workers, are leading the charge against a woke agenda that has almost destroyed their traditional party. Working class voters are sending a clear message: they do not need a ‘political re-education’, and they reject the fundamentally warped interpretation of British society held by some of the most vocal Labour representatives.

They see that too many Labour politicians are in thrall to a toxic racialised politics, the extent of this became clear when Sir Keir Starmer ‘took the knee’ in support of Black Lives Matter. The movement's calls for the abolition of the police and a post-capitalist society reflect a crude identitarianism that carries no truck with the vast majority of Britons. Only one in ten of people in this country are in favour of reduced investment for local police forces.

Labour is also too comfortable with elements of the London elite who proudly vilify provincial voters who supported Brexit. It doesn’t help matters that Sir Keir Starmer was the chief architect of Labour’s second referendum policy – an exemplification of the metropolitan, anti-democratic tendencies which have taken hold of the party. It was, naturally, electorally disastrous.

The party had an opportunity to embrace Brexit. It could have framed the constitutional change as an opportunity to reform our democratic system of governance to empower local communities. But Starmer and his team lacked the imagination to do so.

Now, as Labour reflects on this week’s disastrous results, it must avoid the temptation to double down by embracing the ‘energetic’, but ultimately witless, Corbynite brigade. Backbench MPs such as Zarah Sultana and Nadia Whittome may be wildly popular in their social media echo-chambers, but student-style political activism goes down like a lead balloon outside of them.

One would certainly be keen to see Sultana visit Dudley and articulate why fighting racism must be part of a broader anti-capitalist strategy, or to accompany Whittome on a trip to Nuneaton, where she would no doubt attempt to explain why she struggles to condemn violent anti-police riots.

Back in the real world, the existential nature of their party’s problems should not be underestimated. Provincial market towns such as Nuneaton have historically been viewed as the ‘bellwethers’ of Middle England. With Labour rapidly evolving into a rudderless political creature, representing a foul blend of metropolitan liberalism and student-style identity politics, these areas, with their pro-Brexit, community-oriented and quietly traditional electorates, are likely to turn into solid blue territory.

Labour politicians would only have themselves to blame for such an outcome.

Many of us said this , but nobody would have it on here apart from shmmeee

 

[AOM]

Always been a pretty staunch Labour supporter, but Starmer doesn't exactly inspire much confidence does he...




Just empty rhetoric and buzzwords. What is the actual plan?

 

[PVA]

Just empty rhetoric and buzzwords. What is the actual plan?

FFS, have you seen the Prime Minister?

Pretty much everything being thrown at Labour (a lot of it rightly and fairly so) is equally applicable to the Conservatives.

The double standards are ridiculous.

 

[Evo1883]

FFS, have you seen the Prime Minister?

Pretty much everything being thrown at Labour (a lot of it rightly and fairly so) is equally applicable to the Conservatives.

The double standards are ridiculous.

whatever your views of the tories are , the country clearly prefers the Conservatives right now ..

How bad are Labour then ? That's the question

 

[clint van damme]

Article by Rakib Ehsan


Last night showed yet again that large swathes of the country are sick of being treated with patronising condescension by Labour politicians and student activists. Labour was crushed in the Hartlepool by-election and suffered ward losses in multiple northern regions, with Conservatives gained control of Dudley, Nuneaton and Bedworth councils.

These areas, with their high numbers of traditional blue collar workers, are leading the charge against a woke agenda that has almost destroyed their traditional party. Working class voters are sending a clear message: they do not need a ‘political re-education’, and they reject the fundamentally warped interpretation of British society held by some of the most vocal Labour representatives.

They see that too many Labour politicians are in thrall to a toxic racialised politics, the extent of this became clear when Sir Keir Starmer ‘took the knee’ in support of Black Lives Matter. The movement's calls for the abolition of the police and a post-capitalist society reflect a crude identitarianism that carries no truck with the vast majority of Britons. Only one in ten of people in this country are in favour of reduced investment for local police forces.

Labour is also too comfortable with elements of the London elite who proudly vilify provincial voters who supported Brexit. It doesn’t help matters that Sir Keir Starmer was the chief architect of Labour’s second referendum policy – an exemplification of the metropolitan, anti-democratic tendencies which have taken hold of the party. It was, naturally, electorally disastrous.

The party had an opportunity to embrace Brexit. It could have framed the constitutional change as an opportunity to reform our democratic system of governance to empower local communities. But Starmer and his team lacked the imagination to do so.

Now, as Labour reflects on this week’s disastrous results, it must avoid the temptation to double down by embracing the ‘energetic’, but ultimately witless, Corbynite brigade. Backbench MPs such as Zarah Sultana and Nadia Whittome may be wildly popular in their social media echo-chambers, but student-style political activism goes down like a lead balloon outside of them.

One would certainly be keen to see Sultana visit Dudley and articulate why fighting racism must be part of a broader anti-capitalist strategy, or to accompany Whittome on a trip to Nuneaton, where she would no doubt attempt to explain why she struggles to condemn violent anti-police riots.

Back in the real world, the existential nature of their party’s problems should not be underestimated. Provincial market towns such as Nuneaton have historically been viewed as the ‘bellwethers’ of Middle England. With Labour rapidly evolving into a rudderless political creature, representing a foul blend of metropolitan liberalism and student-style identity politics, these areas, with their pro-Brexit, community-oriented and quietly traditional electorates, are likely to turn into solid blue territory.

Labour politicians would only have themselves to blame for such an outcome.

People aren't in favour of reduced investment in the police force so vote for the party thats reduced police by 20k and support workers by 20k in decade?

Totally agree about Brexit. In fact maybe that's the rule he should go down, let's do Brexit better, or something and hilight the issues there's been and come up with policies to improve them rather than sending a high profile remain candidate to contest a seat in a staunch leave area

 

[PVA]

whatever your views of the tories are , the country clearly prefers the Conservatives right now ..

How bad are Labour then ? That's the question

The question, for the millionth time, is why the Tories?

Nobody is saying Labour aren't bad. Not one person in here.

But nobody can answer the question.

 

[AOM]

FFS, have you seen the Prime Minister?

Pretty much everything being thrown at Labour (a lot of it rightly and fairly so) is equally applicable to the Conservatives.

The double standards are ridiculous.

Oh, I agree completely.
I despise Boris and would never vote for him, but clearly there are issues with the level of the opposition too

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Don't think those asking what the attraction is to voting Conservative are sneering, I certainly don't intend to come over that way. Its a genuine question. I look at what's happened since the Conservative came to power in 2010 and can't think of a single reason I would vote for them, if I'm missing something obvious everyone else knows I'd like to know what it is!

Think its only become a bit of a thing because its been asked multiple times and nobody seems able to answer.

Oh, I'm not suggesting you are sneering at all! Sorry if it came across that way. I just meant that a lot of it goes on and it turns people off.

There needs to be a new party of some sort, but don't have a clue where it would start.

 

[Evo1883]

The question, for the millionth time, is why the Tories?

Nobody is saying Labour aren't bad. Not one person in here.

But nobody can answer the question.

I think it's been said a million times over why people don't vote Labour mate you've just not accepted it as a reason .


There is zero point me and others like dubed going over it again when you have no intentions of soaking it in .

Labour will continue to get battered at every election

 

[clint van damme]

The question, for the millionth time, is why the Tories?

Nobody is saying Labour aren't bad. Not one person in here.

But nobody can answer the question.

The people who were on the radio earlier in Teeside were talking about the big projects that have been brought to the area, a lot of it delivered by the mayor, Teeside Airport, the Freeport etc.

 

[clint van damme]

I think it's been said a million times over why people don't vote Labour mate you've just not accepted it as a reason .


There is zero point me and others like dubed going over it again when you have no intentions of soaking it in .

Labour will continue to get battered at every election

You've just literally avoided the question again. Its quite incredible.
The question is not why didn't you vote Labour.

Why did you voterory? Answered clearly and concisely by a succession of people from Teeside on the radio tonight.

 

[Ian1779]

I think it's been said a million times over why people don't vote Labour mate you've just not accepted it as a reason .


There is zero point me and others like dubed going over it again when you have no intentions of soaking it in .

Labour will continue to get battered at every election

So what is so different in places like Manchester and Liverpool then? Are there no wokies there or is the place full of them?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I haven't seen Coventry as been at work , I'm guessing it's still basically Labour .

Or not announced yet

I voted Labour. Don’t get the support for tories or Boris at all. Beggars belief

 

[PVA]

I think it's been said a million times over why people don't vote Labour mate you've just not accepted it as a reason .


There is zero point me and others like dubed going over it again when you have no intentions of soaking it in .

Labour will continue to get battered at every election

Oh come on man. Seriously. You've done it again.

I'm not asking why people aren't voting Labour.

I don't know how I can make that any clearer.

 

[clint van damme]

I voted Labour. Don’t get the support for tories or Boris at all. Beggars belief

Amen Pete!

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I get that to an extent but if Labour didn’t ask they’d be accused of ‘not listening to the people’ and when they do they’re ‘demanding everyone justify the vote’.

I think some general feedback would be a good idea to help improve.

 

[Evo1883]

So what is so different in places like Manchester and Liverpool then? Are there no wokies there or is the place full of them?

Scousers would never vote tories though ... I doubt that will ever change .

Doesn't matter how bad Labour are , they wouldn't vote conservative

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

That speaks volumes


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And what does it say? That the pay rise doesn’t matter as it’s not Labour so it’s ok?? Ffs

 

[Evo1883]

You've just literally avoided the question again. Its quite incredible.
The question is not why didn't you vote Labour.

Why did you voterory? Answered clearly and concisely by a succession of people from Teeside on the radio tonight.

Well ofcourse part of the question will always be why them and not Labour.

You're driving me mad clint mate

You've been told .. either accept it as a reason or don't I couldn't be arsed

No offence mate

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I'm genuinely interested and still haven't heard a salient answer on here.
On the way home I was listening to the radio and they were interviewing people on Teeside and they were giving perfectly logical explanations as to why they'd gone tory, and they're descended from people who hung a monkey!!

What were they? I’ve not heard a logical reason

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I think some general feedback would be a good idea to help improve.

I think it should start from a common understanding that neither party actively wants to make the country worse

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

What were they? I’ve not heard a logical reason

Popularity contest

 

[Evo1883]

Popularity contest

There is definitely a culture war going on , people are driving out the people on the wrong side of it.

That's something that's definitely happening

 

[clint van damme]

Well ofcourse part of the question will always be why them and not Labour.

You're driving me mad clint mate

You've been told .. either accept it as a reason or don't I couldn't be arsed

No offence mate

You've told me nothing!
As I said, there were some clear answers on the radio this evening and while some of it was about Labour not listening the majority wereaboutthe economy of the region. Obviosly this was specific to the by-election and the Mayoral election

 

[Evo1883]

You've told me nothing!
As I said, there were some clear answers on the radio this evening and while some of it was about Labour not listening the majority wereaboutthe economy of the region. Obviosly this was specific to the by-election and the Mayoral election

I can't... we will never get to the bottom of this

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

You've told me nothing!
As I said, there were some clear answers on the radio this evening and while some of it was about Labour not listening the majority wereaboutthe economy of the region. Obviosly this was specific to the by-election and the Mayoral election

After 10 years of national tory government austerity that meant hartleoool was a shut hole they voted for the mp who represented those policies. Please explain the logic!

 

[Evo1883]

After 10 years of national tory government austerity that meant hartleoool was a shut hole they voted for the mp who represented those policies. Please explain the logic!

Let's spin it ...

How shocking must you be to lose to that

What do people think about Labour and it's MPs ... there's you're answer , I know this because I work with similar minded people

 

[clint van damme]

What were they? I’ve not heard a logical reason

Mainly to do with the economy of the region and some big infrastructure projects that thematic delivered.
Also some government jobs relocating from London.

 

[clint van damme]

Let's spin it ...

How shocking must you be to lose to that

What do people think about Labour and it's MPs ... there's you're answer , I know this because I work with similar minded people

You love Rees Mogg !!

 

[Evo1883]

You love Rees Mogg !!