Nick
Administrator
Was more that it won't be the tory MPs paying more for trains. They aren't the "normal people"
Workers aren’t normal people?
It’s more than just pay though. Talking to my postie it’s also about conditions. Namely their employer wants to abandon promises made to employees and Unions that allowed Royal Mail to be privatised in the first place.I get it with nurses but with trains, royal mail etc surely it means people get laid off or prices go up? Passed on to normal people.
The idea is usually to get the 'normal' people to then complain mostly at the employer.Was more that it won't be the tory MPs paying more for trains. They aren't the "normal people"
I do fear that the former is what will happen, however. It may not be good, but the likes of Evri undercut because they have far worse conditions than Royal Mail, and they're mopping up right now.Re Royal Mail, Royal Mail's management can either sit by idly and lose market share or they can settle the dispute.
It’s more than just pay though. Talking to my postie it’s also about conditions. Namely their employer wants to abandon promises made to employees and Unions that allowed Royal Mail to be privatised in the first place.
I get it with nurses but with trains, royal mail etc surely it means people get laid off or prices go up? Passed on to normal people.
I do fear that the former is what will happen, however. It may not be good, but the likes of Evri undercut because they have far worse conditions than Royal Mail, and they're mopping up right now.
As it is, my parents' local postman can no longer stop for a quick chat, as he has a tracker with him, and that's thanks to competition.
We need to stop looking at things in purely financial terms, and also think of the social, cultural benefits. That self same postman drew attention to the fact a neighbour was seriously ill, because he hadn't seen them in a week. An Evri delivery guy chucking a parcel in the wheelie bin wouldn't do that. Nor would the post office closing help half the people who live in that village.
Somewhere, we have to accept we need to pay a little bit extra for a service, and deal with it.
I'd pay extra for somebody improving the living standards of people who are lonely, isolated, and have limited social contact in a society where nobody cares about them and whether they're alive or dead, yep.do people want to pay extra for the postman having a chat with them and knowing their name and waving?
I'd pay extra for somebody improving the living standards of people who are lonely, isolated, and have limited social contact in a society where nobody cares about them and whether they're alive or dead, yep.
It should be the entire society. It's our responsibility to think about more than just cash.To be honest that should be more the NHS than a postman...
It should be the entire society. It's our responsibility to think about more than just cash.
And that means subsidising services including yes, giving the NHS the money it needs to function which yes, means we all need to start paying more taxes.
We clearly don't if you're moaning about the service you're getting from the NHS. Who do you think pays for that? How come you're bringing up moaning about PPE now, whereas you were bitching about others doing that earlier?I think we pay enough taxes, to be honest
We clearly don't if you're moaning about the service you're getting from the NHS. Who do you think pays for that?
Lazy excuse for the fact a service is criminally underfunded.Or they just aren't being used properly or wisely.
It’s all over isn’t it? No church attendance, no milkman or postie, no local Bobby, even stuff like park rangers and bus conductors. Nothing going the other way. Not sure what you can do about it. As Nick says the vast majority just want their parcel quickly and tracked, want their buses cheaper and quicker etc.
Personally I think making residential areas pedestrian/cycle first and getting more people out on the streets has big benefits. But the vast majority just want to be left alone until they need that community and it’s not there.
I see both sides here, but not sure Mail is the universal essential service it once was, mostly I get spam through my letterbox or poet copies of stuff I’ve already had over email days before.
Rinse and repeat, we pay more tax and need more wages.
I think we pay enough taxes, to be honest, and how much is pissed down the drain due to careless spending and general shadiness and filling own pockets or mates pockets? I'd happily vote for whoever actually would get rid of all the shady cunts with their PPE deals and expenses and plough all that money into making life better.
Regardless of whoever is in power though, they are all cheeks of the same arse.
And that's where the thinking has to change, and be changed. Because one day it will be me, you... Nick, who need that community.But the vast majority just want to be left alone until they need that community and it’s not there.
Lazy excuse for the fact a service is criminally underfunded.
So you're supporting the workers getting their rise, then?!?That's with the people deciding to allocate our taxes though, isn't it? Which I get when it comes to the NHS and agreed with about nurses etc and then shit like tax payer money going on PPE backhanders.
And that's where the thinking has to change, and be changed. Because one day it will be me, you... Nick, who need that community.
The other thing is email as well, pretty much all of my bills and stuff is sent via email now so I rarely get any letters. Mainly toolstation catalogues or opticians reminders for the person who lived there before.
So you're supporting the workers getting their rise, then?!?
And that's where the thinking has to change, and be changed. Because one day it will be me, you... Nick, who need that community.
From what I understand they want to enforce longer working hours. So that overtime might become mandatory, inconvenient and at lower rates, including a Sunday service.What are the bad conditions? I know a couple of posties and they make a decent wedge from the guaranteed overtime.
Thing is with Royal Mail, they need to keep up with the competition for both senders and people who receive the deliveries.
From what I understand they want to enforce longer working hours. So that overtime might become mandatory, inconvenient and at lower rates, including a Sunday service.
It's not an either / or, it should never be either get a health service, or something else. And build in a proper social fabric, you take away some of the pressure (and cost) of an NHS as it doesn't have to function purely as triage after everything else is neglected until it's almost too late.I said earlier in the thread I can see how the NHS / nurses correlate with MPs and ministers wasting billions of taxpayer money but didn't see how trains and the royal mail did.
I'm by no means an expert but I don't think throwing a bit of a pay rise is going to fix much. It will still be pretty shit just with people being paid a bit more. I'd much rather employ more therapists, local nurses, mental health specialists etc (first line type stuff) and make sure GPs sort their shit and stop being dicks as that will reduce plenty of the load on hospitals for starters.
That's before all of the pointless suits who will be taking home 6 figures.
The whole thing could do with an overhaul structurally.
Has everyone forgotten that it is estimated that Truss' mini budget is estimated to have cost the UK between £30 & 35 billion? And the Rwanda scene has cost £180 million so far. Not a single person has been sent to Rwanda and the Government know they cannot legally but they continue to pay in order to be seen to be hard on foreigners. I believe they are setting up similar arrangements with other countries like Peru.I think the point is they keep saying the country can’t afford it. Yet it can afford to wipe off billions of pounds in Covid fraud, Rishi Sunak literally decided to do that as chancellor, might have even been this year. I read last week that the government is also paying £7M a day for storage of the useless PPE their mates sold us. I can’t verify that amount but it’s certainly costing us a lot of money to store it while someone makes a decision on what to do with it. This has to be the most wasteful government I can remember, maybe if they got their act together money would be available to pay nurses.
Edit. Tell a lie, it’s £760k a day.
Is this the get rid of NHS managers argument? Seriously it makes no sense. Take away the managers and you end up with doctors doing the admin, exactly the opposite of what we need. Allow medical professionals to use their skills in treating patients. Hospitals are very complex organisations and are generally under resourced in terms of admin and managerial staff.To be honest that should be more the NHS than a postman...
Again, fuck the suits off and get more people on the ground for stuff like that.
Is this the get rid of NHS managers argument? Seriously it makes no sense. Take away the managers and you end up with doctors doing the admin, exactly the opposite of what we need. Allow medical professionals to use their skills in treating patients. Hospitals are very complex organisations and are generally under resourced in terms of admin and managerial staff.
Well no there are obviously going to need to be some managers.
It doesn't, but again in the re-balancing, it has to be spelled out that paying more taxes can often save people money, too. Some of the 'soft' areas for example, such as social work. Get youths occupied and valued with some proper schemes, they're less likely to break into your house or nick your car for a joyride, so therefore your insurance comes down as a result.Not everything has to hit people on £30k or whatever.
Honestly I’m a higher rate payer and objectively pay a lot of tax, but I’d pay a bit more if I knew we were going to get better services and the people working in them would get better pay. Bring in another tier above me and wealth taxes too. Not everything has to hit people on £30k or whatever.
It doesn't, but again in the re-balancing, it has to be spelled out that paying more taxes can often save people money, too. Some of the 'soft' areas for example, such as social work. Get youths occupied and valued with some proper schemes, they're less likely to break into your house or nick your car for a joyride, so therefore your insurance comes down as a result.
But somebody has to pay for those schemes!
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