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[David O'Day]

There's a good chance Labour have taken the Cambridgeshire and Peterborough Mayoral election. If so that's 2 today

 

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[Evo1883]

There's a good chance Labour have taken the Cambridgeshire and Peterborough Mayoral election. If so that's 2 today

David they've had a disastrous couple of days , can't really spin it

 

[Philosoraptor]

The problems with elections is that you are asking the general population to vote on something that a good proportion don't really understand.

The only good thing about Democracy is its intrinsic natures; Liberty and Equality.

It is a shame political parties don't value these as high as they should do.

 

[Ian1779]

Why would it be?

The bigger headline is obviously Labour losing council seats up and down the country and a by-election in a constituency that was considered a ‘safe seat’.

Pockets of Labour performing well should not detract from a fundamentally bad election night.

The party is in real danger of ceasing to be a meaningful political force after the next election if the current trends continue.

You are right - but what it does tell you that the agenda in these areas is cutting through.... and it’s not Starmer Tory-lite tribute.

 

[David O'Day]

David they've had a disastrous couple of days , can't really spin it

Where did I say it was good? It's bad but not as bad as even 2017

 

[PVA]

Out of interest, then, what has Labour done for them?

I think you missed the point.

The guy thinks having 9 foodbanks is a great achievement for the government. You can't reason with people like that.

 

[Philosoraptor]

Where did I say it was good? It's bad but not as bad as even 2017

Bet you can't wait for the Forde Inquiry to finally release its report.

 

[Ian1779]

Where did I say it was good? It's bad but not as bad as even 2017

Shit take of the day here.

 

[Deleted member 4439]

I think you missed the point.

The guy thinks having 9 foodbanks is a great achievement for the government. You can't reason with people like that.

How many foodbanks qualifies as an achievement then?

 

[PVA]

How many foodbanks qualifies as an achievement then?

Are you really as daft as poor old Fred?

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

You are right - but what it does tell you that the agenda in these areas is cutting through.... and it’s not Starmer Tory-lite tribute.

This is why Labour is in a pickle. A knee-jerk shift to the left won’t really do the party any favours. Corbyn ran on a radical manifesto. The obvious fact is that culturally, Labour needs to do something to win back its culturally conservative base. Be it Starmer or Corbyn, the party is seen as too metropolitan and too aloof of the needs of country north of London.

There are lessons to be learned, and I don’t think the Labour establishment has got it in them to learn these lessons and to adapt their messaging.

The first thing is to come out and accept Brexit and build a post-Brexit Labour vision for the UK.

 

[clint van damme]

The first thing is to come out and accept Brexit and build a post-Brexit Labour vision for the UK.

not get an ardent remainer to contest a staunch Brexit constituency then?!

 

[Ian1779]

This is why Labour is in a pickle. A knee-jerk shift to the left won’t really do the party any favours. Corbyn ran on a radical manifesto. The obvious fact is that culturally, Labour needs to do something to win back its culturally conservative base. Be it Starmer or Corbyn, the party is seen as too metropolitan and too aloof of the needs of country north of London.

There are lessons to be learned, and I don’t think the Labour establishment has got it in them to learn these lessons and to adapt their messaging.

The first thing is to come out and accept Brexit and build a post-Brexit Labour vision for the UK.

The party should focus on the areas where it has control and look to make a difference at local level for now. What can it’s councils implement, what can these metro mayors do - and then go and share that message and tell people what you actually did. And forget the word waffle bollocks.

 

[Grendel]

The party should focus on the areas where it has control and look to make a difference at local level for now. What can it’s councils implement, what can these metro mayors do - and then go and share that message and tell people what you actually did. And forget the word waffle bollocks.

It’s all fine according to David

 

[clint van damme]

The party should focus on the areas where it has control and look to make a difference at local level for now. What can it’s councils implement, what can these metro mayors do - and then go and share that message and tell people what you actually did. And forget the word waffle bollocks.

Starmer had disbanded the community organising unit, another mistake.
One thing that's come from these elections is that engagement with the community has been a significant factor in some of the big results for either party.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Vile c**t Sturgeon pledging to devote another 4 years to breaking the union rather than governing

 

[Ian1779]

So much for Kier taking responsibility....

 

[Grendel]

So much for Kier taking responsibility....

she is a disaster to be fair

 

[Ian1779]

she is a disaster to be fair

Maybe he’ll sack himself too then

 

[David O'Day]

Shit take of the day here.

Why, it's factual unlike a lot of the fucking nonsense posted on this thread in the last few days.

 

[clint van damme]

So much for Kier taking responsibility....

this didn't end well then?

 

[Ian1779]

So since taking personal responsibility for Thursday, he plans to sack his female chancellor, has sacked his female deputy from her chair role (a working class woman too at that) - all that is left surely for him to do is the Scooby Doo reveal and pull out that Blue rosette from under his jacket.

 

[clint van damme]

So since taking personal responsibility for Thursday, he plans to sack his female chancellor, has sacked his female deputy from her chair role (a working class woman too at that) - all that is left surely for him to do is the Scooby Doo reveal and pull out that Blue rosette from under his jacket.

she had been putting the boot into Johnson in the run up to the elections, I can't imagine that went down well with Keith.

 

[Grendel]

Strangely I thought it would be worse than this.

Anyway in Cov South Corbyn was mentioned far more on the doorstep than KS.

Don't believe every "leak"

What were you doing knocking doors David

We’re Sinn Fein standing here?

 

[Evo1883]

Vile c**t Sturgeon pledging to devote another 4 years to breaking the union rather than governing

There are many SNP voters that don't want independence .

She's barking up the wrong tree

 

[Deleted member 5849]

 

[Evo1883]

its not on journalists ..however its about time the old Gammon shite stopped ... wouldn't you say

 

[Skybluefaz]

2 rite. Labour r a jk!

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Not true though

tbf, the journalist didn't name him...

 

[David O'Day]

There are many SNP voters that don't want independence .

She's barking up the wrong tree

True they do outpoll independence. They are seen as the progressive option that aren't labour

 

[clint van damme]

its not on journalists ..however its about time the old Gammon shite stopped ... wouldn't you say

wokeness gone mad!!

 

[David O'Day]

So since taking personal responsibility for Thursday, he plans to sack his female chancellor, has sacked his female deputy from her chair role (a working class woman too at that) - all that is left surely for him to do is the Scooby Doo reveal and pull out that Blue rosette from under his jacket.

Taking about shit takes - what does the sex of either the person in charge of national campaigns or the chancellor the left have spent the last 5 months calling to be replaced have to do with anything?

 

[Ian1779]

Taking about shit takes - what does the sex of either the person in charge of national campaigns or the chancellor the left have spent the last 5 months calling to be replaced have to do with anything?

You may well be right - but if you’ve learnt anything about Boris and the Tories over the last 24 months it’s that perception is everything.

The London metropolitan lawyer sack his female, working class deputy 2 days after delivering a shit-show in the local elections, after claiming to take full responsibility.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

There are many SNP voters that don't want independence .

She's barking up the wrong tree

It’s pretty foolhardy to vote SNP if you oppose independence

 

[Evo1883]

wokeness gone mad!!

On another note , I see momentum (the organisation that requires labour membership to join ) are still retweeting wankers like Owen jones on twitter .