Do you want to discuss boring politics? (80 Viewers)

[Liquid Gold]

Preston council, where Labour are enacting socialist policies - Labour hold
Welsh elections, where the Labour leader is a self-proclaimed socialist - Labour gains
Manchester mayor, where the Labour incumbent is undertaking a program of public ownership - Labour hold

Where Labour are offering a vision they're doing well.

 

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[oakey]

There is room for a psychological study on why people are so angry with Labour when they haven't been in power for 11 years. Most of the media coverage tonight has been about Labour, when really the focus should be on the Tory victories. Very odd. It reminds me of the day City beat Liverpool 4 - 0. It suggests to me that people want the Labour party to be better so they can like them again. Very odd but an opportunity.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Never been to Croatia so not sure what the scene is. Malta last time I went was great but very cultural experience orientated and IIRC only one decent beach and its quite small.

Croatia is simply beautiful

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

There is room for a psychological study on why people are so angry with Labour when they haven't been in power for 11 years. Most of the media coverage tonight has been about Labour, when really the focus should be on the Tory victories. Very odd. It reminds me of the day City beat Liverpool 4 - 0. It suggests to me that people want the Labour party to be better so they can like them again. Very odd but an opportunity.

Now that’s what I think is the case. I think they expect them to be something they can’t be and expect far more than they do from the conservatives. Evo will laugh and say anything but Labour

 

[SBAndy]

But Evo votes Labour. It does feel a bit rough on him slamming him with the “why the Tories” question repeatedly when he’s said as much.

Still a question that needs answering by someone though. As stated, you can vote for Lib Dem, Green, could even just not vote. So to flip completely to the other side of the coin and vote Tory is just...odd.

 

[shmmeee]

That still doesn't explain why Labour have gone from 15k to 8k in 18 months though

It’s a by-election. Turnout is always down. Same reason the Tory vote went from 22k to 15k.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

I haven't said people should vote for any party in particular. I am interested in what is so appealing to that party in particular. What is it that does it for you?

Because labour are a waste of time

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Out of interest when you all didn't vote Labour because of Corbyn did you vote Conservative? If so what was it that attracted your vote? And now that Corbyn is gone has your vote returned to Labour?

Absolutely agree people can do what they want. However the question has been repeatedly asked in recent weeks what it is about the Conservatives that makes people vote for them and so far the answers have been lots of reasons to not vote Labour and nothing about why the Conservatives appeal.

Maybe because I and many others didn’t want Jeremy fucking Corbyn running our country lol, couldn’t think of anything worse

 

[Deleted member 5849]

With Welsh Labour doing well, don't these elections show endorsement of vaccine rollout and recent pandemic policy?

 

[Skybluefaz]

With Welsh Labour doing well, don't these elections show endorsement of vaccine rollout and recent pandemic policy?

Faisal Islam has just tweeted along these lines. Could well be the case.

 

[David O'Day]

Faisal Islam has just tweeted along these lines. Could well be the case.

John Curtice is saying the same - It also looks like The Tories have only got around 36% of the vote so it's not as great as the press makes out.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Maybe because I and many others didn’t want Jeremy fucking Corbyn running our country lol, couldn’t think of anything worse

I could. It's called Boris Johnson

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

With Welsh Labour doing well, don't these elections show endorsement of vaccine rollout and recent pandemic policy?

It’s also interesting that despite the leader having the charisma of a fish he seems generally well respected. Perhaps another BSB emigration destination

 

[Liquid Gold]

It’s a by-election. Turnout is always down. Same reason the Tory vote went from 22k to 15k.

Still lost 9%

 

[Grendel]

They're not Labour.

PVA owns a cafe in a very working class village

Other than him no middle class people live there. Then one moves in.

Thing is PVA only sells tripe and onions - working class food for the working class yeah?

He has to get google out and thinks middle classes might like a smoked salmon and cheese bagel (whole meal of course)

His pensioner regulars sit down on day one and order salmon bagels

PVA doesn’t get it. “What you don’t one that it’s not for you”

They just say they want it.

“What do you like about it”

“never tried it”

“YOU HAVE TO TELL ME WHY YOU LIKE IT!”

“Can’t be any worse that that shit you’ve been serving we only come here as there’s no one else”

“NOT GOOD ENOUGH TELL ME WHY YOU WANT IT! you have to have working class food unless you give me a good reason! I’m bringing you tripe and your eating it you dumb, senile racist bunch of tosses”

We are leaving and we will go to another village and try salmon

PVA than rages when no one goes in any more as I mean he’s only feeding them the same old shite theyve always eaten

Poor PVA the only middle class man in the village

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

PVA owns a cafe in a very working class village

Other than him no middle class people live there. Then one moves in.

Thing is PVA only sells tripe and onions - working class food for the working class yeah?

He has to get google out and thinks middle classes might like a smoked salmon and cheese bagel (whole meal of course)

His pensioner regulars sit down on day one and order salmon bagels

PVA doesn’t get it. “What you don’t one that it’s not for you”

They just say they want it.

“What do you like about it”

“never tried it”

“YOU HAVE TO TELL ME WHY YOU LIKE IT!”

“Can’t be any worse that that shit you’ve been serving we only come here as there’s no one else”

“NOT GOOD ENOUGH TELL ME WHY YOU WANT IT! you have to have working class food unless you give me a good reason! I’m bringing you tripe and your eating it you dumb, senile racist bunch of tosses”

We are leaving and we will go to another village and try salmon

PVA than rages when no one goes in any more as I mean he’s only feeding them the same old shite theyve always eaten

Poor PVA the only middle class man in the village

Or to be more accurate he’s got no customers as everyone’s gone to the circus to watch the amazing BoJo and eat candy floss

 

[PVA]

PVA owns a cafe in a very working class village

Other than him no middle class people live there. Then one moves in.

Thing is PVA only sells tripe and onions - working class food for the working class yeah?

He has to get google out and thinks middle classes might like a smoked salmon and cheese bagel (whole meal of course)

His pensioner regulars sit down on day one and order salmon bagels

PVA doesn’t get it. “What you don’t one that it’s not for you”

They just say they want it.

“What do you like about it”

“never tried it”

“YOU HAVE TO TELL ME WHY YOU LIKE IT!”

“Can’t be any worse that that shit you’ve been serving we only come here as there’s no one else”

“NOT GOOD ENOUGH TELL ME WHY YOU WANT IT! you have to have working class food unless you give me a good reason! I’m bringing you tripe and your eating it you dumb, senile racist bunch of tosses”

We are leaving and we will go to another village and try salmon

PVA than rages when no one goes in any more as I mean he’s only feeding them the same old shite theyve always eaten

Poor PVA the only middle class man in the village

What the actual fuck is this.

Seek help.

 

[PVA]

Maybe because I and many others didn’t want Jeremy fucking Corbyn running our country lol, couldn’t think of anything worse

I can't stand Corbyn either, but could it get much worse than 130k dead?

 

[skybluetony176]

PVA owns a cafe in a very working class village

Other than him no middle class people live there. Then one moves in.

Thing is PVA only sells tripe and onions - working class food for the working class yeah?

He has to get google out and thinks middle classes might like a smoked salmon and cheese bagel (whole meal of course)

His pensioner regulars sit down on day one and order salmon bagels

PVA doesn’t get it. “What you don’t one that it’s not for you”

They just say they want it.

“What do you like about it”

“never tried it”

“YOU HAVE TO TELL ME WHY YOU LIKE IT!”

“Can’t be any worse that that shit you’ve been serving we only come here as there’s no one else”

“NOT GOOD ENOUGH TELL ME WHY YOU WANT IT! you have to have working class food unless you give me a good reason! I’m bringing you tripe and your eating it you dumb, senile racist bunch of tosses”

We are leaving and we will go to another village and try salmon

PVA than rages when no one goes in any more as I mean he’s only feeding them the same old shite theyve always eaten

Poor PVA the only middle class man in the village

Bit early to be on the Thunderbirds.

 

[Deleted member 4439]

What the actual fuck is this.

Seek help.

I think it was Grendel's attempt to reach out to you through allegory, as all attempts at reasoned, conversationalist debate had proved impossible.

But I'd ask what is the further point? You aren't here for that but to scream and scream until you feel you've had the last say. I get that you are an angry man, but I cannot see how your style of engagement helps you or your cause.

 

[PVA]

I think it was Grendel's to reach out to you through allegory, as all attempts at reasoned, conversationalist debate had proved impossible.

But I'd ask what is the further point? You aren't here for that but to scream and scream until you feel you've had the last say. You are the very worst example of a chat room/ forum.

What?

All I wanted was an answer to a simple question. That's the very definition of a chat room/forum. I'll stop asking it as soon as someone can answer it.


It's not my fault that no one can answer it.

 

[Evo1883]

Now that’s what I think is the case. I think they expect them to be something they can’t be and expect far more than they do from the conservatives. Evo will laugh and say anything but Labour

I voted Labour , I'm telling you why people aren't, that is all

 

[Grendel]

I think it was Grendel's to reach out to you through allegory, as all attempts at reasoned, conversationalist debate had proved impossible.

But I'd ask what is the further point? You aren't here for that but to scream and scream until you feel you've had the last say. I get that you are an angry man, but I cannot see how your style of engagement helps you or your cause.

I’m surprised he didn’t say “you know nothing about me - I don’t own a cafe”

 

[Evo1883]

What?

All I wanted was an answer to a simple question. That's the very definition of a chat room/forum. I'll stop asking it as soon as someone can answer it.


It's not my fault that no one can answer it.

they probably think people like me are twats for voting Labour, the same way you think they are twats for voting Tory ... if they simply don't like Labour very much , then that's the answer .
If it was all about policies etc then more people would vote Labour but they don't.

You've made this much harder than it needs to be .

The people voting for the tories probably like them more , it's as simple as that .
You simply have to accept that Labour are not very well liked in England...or Scotland for that matter

 

[PVA]

I’m surprised he didn’t say “you know nothing about me - I don’t own a cafe”

Is that what you wanted? Like it would be some kind of great 'gotcha'? What a life you lead.

 

[Evo1883]

I said the other week they're about as likeable as a fart in a bottle of water ...turns out that's the case .

Big changes needed

The left is fractured between 3 or 4 parties , the centre/ right isn't.

This doesn't help at all

It's at the point where the libs , Labour and the greens need to start looking at some sort of coalition

 

[David O'Day]

Labour take West of England Mayoral election from Tories, street will win but not by as much as you'd of thought and Burnham is still king of the North.

tories only get roughly 36% of the vote

Bet that's not on teh front of teh BBC

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I voted Labour , I'm telling you why people aren't, that is all

tbf, by your logic it seems you're the wokester in the room

 

[Evo1883]

tbf, by your logic it seems you're the wokester in the room

 

[PVA]

Holy shit.

Doesn't matter whether it's Keir Starmer, Jeremy Corbyn, or Mr Blobby as leader of the opposition, how can you win when the general public say things like this

 

[Evo1883]

Holy shit.

Doesn't matter whether it's Keir Starmer, Jeremy Corbyn, or Mr Blobby as leader of the opposition, how can you win when the general public say things like this

Only 1 person to be fair .

If the vast majority thought like that , then yes it's a problem

 

[Deleted member 4439]

Out of interest, then, what has Labour done for them?

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Scousers would never vote tories though ... I doubt that will ever change .

Doesn't matter how bad Labour are , they wouldn't vote conservative

Liverpool voted in favour of Remaining in the EU. Labour is haemorrhaging votes in areas that are working class and voted Leave i.e. the Red Wall seats.

If the current trend of Brexit Party votes in 2019 being distributed 3/4 to 1 to the Tories, the situation is bleak for Labour.

 

[Evo1883]

Out of interest, then, what has Labour done for them?

Told them the tories are bad

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Labour take West of England Mayoral election from Tories, street will win but not by as much as you'd of thought and Burnham is still king of the North.

tories only get roughly 36% of the vote

Bet that's not on teh front of teh BBC

Why would it be?

The bigger headline is obviously Labour losing council seats up and down the country and a by-election in a constituency that was considered a ‘safe seat’.

Pockets of Labour performing well should not detract from a fundamentally bad election night.

The party is in real danger of ceasing to be a meaningful political force after the next election if the current trends continue.