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[Astute]

I was explaining the school position that was all, it’s also my only real frame of reference to be honest.

For me there are two completely separate issues going on here that have somehow become intertwined.

Firstly I think the GRC is a no-brainer. It’s a piece of paper that allows someone to change their pronouns on their driving licence or bank account. But that’s where it should start and end. It should not be passport to protected spaces.

Protected spaces are a different debate - this is where safety takes precedence, so if that’s means trans people have to change in a single self contained space I don’t think that’s unreasonable if their others choices are respected.

I agree. But it was about Nandy who wants much more.

 

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[Astute]

Well he would as a school teacher!

Yes. But it has gone much further than that.

Same question. Would your partner/wife be happy to share her personal space with anyone who identifies as a woman as Nandy wants?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Out of interest if a student wishes to be they/them would teachers and other students be punished for not going along with that either intentionally or unintentionally?

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Have had a few cases of that-teachers will be told what the student prefers to be called from now on but the student is also told that teachers might make innocent mistakes while getting used to it. If a teacher carried on despite knowing full well the preference yes I expect they’d be in a bit of trouble

 

[shmmeee]

What has someone being gay got to do with someone wanting to change gender?

There’s a huge amount of evidence most dysphoric children grow up to be gay and without dysphoria post puberty. Tavistock staff have joked internally their work means there’ll be no gay kids left.

 

[Astute]

People make mistakes in school with pronouns - I know I have before. I don’t think there would be any sanctions unless we were talking about sustained and deliberate targeting, essentially bullying.

But that isn't the subject.

Would you be happy for your wife/partner to have to share her personal space with anyone who identifies as a woman? Would you be happy for your daughters to have to do the same if you have any?

 

[shmmeee]

Have had a few cases of that-teachers will be told what the student prefers to be called from now on but the student is also told that teachers might make innocent mistakes while getting used to it. If a teacher carried on despite knowing full well the preference yes I expect they’d be in a bit of trouble

Neopronouns too or just the big three?

 

[Astute]

There’s a huge amount of evidence most dysphoric children grow up to be gay and without dysphoria post puberty. Tavistock staff have joked internally their work means there’ll be no gay kids left.

Oh yes Tavistock. I wonder how many would Google and carry on with the same lines.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Neopronouns too or just the big three?

I haven’t yet been asked to go beyond him/her/them.

 

[Astute]

I haven’t yet been asked to go beyond him/her/them.

Only missing about 55 different genders then

 

[Skybluefaz]

And here comes the first idiot who wants to look good.

So you don't have daughters or a partner who is happy to share their personal space with anyone who says they identify as a woman.

Look good by being able to read and comprehend facts?

You're as thick as mince.

 

[Astute]

Look good by being able to read and comprehend facts?

You're as thick as mince.

If you was capable of pulling a woman I would ask you what she thought on the subject.

 

[TomRad85]

Have had a few cases of that-teachers will be told what the student prefers to be called from now on but the student is also told that teachers might make innocent mistakes while getting used to it. If a teacher carried on despite knowing full well the preference yes I expect they’d be in a bit of trouble

OK fair, I think calling an individual they/them is utter nonsense but its completely avoidable by just using someone's name of course, which I guess is the polite thing to do if you think its nonsense.

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[Astute]

I was explaining the school position that was all, it’s also my only real frame of reference to be honest.

For me there are two completely separate issues going on here that have somehow become intertwined.

Firstly I think the GRC is a no-brainer. It’s a piece of paper that allows someone to change their pronouns on their driving licence or bank account. But that’s where it should start and end. It should not be passport to protected spaces.

Protected spaces are a different debate - this is where safety takes precedence, so if that’s means trans people have to change in a single self contained space I don’t think that’s unreasonable if their others choices are respected.

So what you're really saying is that you agree with me. Thank you.

 

[shmmeee]

A a xx

OK fair, I think calling an individual they/them is utter nonsense but its completely avoidable by just using someone's name of course, which I guess is the polite thing to do if you think its nonsense.

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What would you call an unknown person? I’m against a lot of this stuff, especially child transition, but we use gender neutral pronouns for single people all the time. “When I find out who TomRad85 is, I’ll buy them a pint” for example.

 

[Astute]

A a xx


What would you call an unknown person? I’m against a lot of this stuff, especially child transition, but we use gender neutral pronouns for single people all the time. “When I find out who TomRad85 is, I’ll buy them a pint” for example.

His name is Tom. He isn't a Rad. And he isn't 85 yet. That is next week.

 

[TomRad85]

A a xx


What would you call an unknown person? I’m against a lot of this stuff, especially child transition, but we use gender neutral pronouns for single people all the time. “When I find out who TomRad85 is, I’ll buy them a pint” for example.

I guess we do occasionally, I'm not sure I think I know most people's gender if they are people I talk about. If I'm unsure for example in a Teams chat I'd say he/her and await someone to give me the correct one. I'm not accepting there's a third undefined one as I think its rubbish. Believe me I'm not rude, I try and avoid it by just using names like I said, still think it's narcissistic language though.

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[Grendel]

Is Sam smith now them as he’s the size of two people?

 

[shmmeee]

I guess we do occasionally, I'm not sure I think I know most people's gender if they are people I talk about. If I'm unsure for example in a Teams chat I'd say he/her and await someone to give me the correct one. I'm not accepting there's a third undefined one as I think its rubbish. Believe me I'm not rude, I try and avoid it by just using names like I said, still think it's narcissistic language though.

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Oh no non-binary as a concept is a load of arrogant sexist nonsense. But just saying using they/them for a single person isn’t bad grammar.

 

[TomRad85]

Is Sam smith now them as he’s the size of two people?

This is what I mean, he's just a bloke, we all know he's a bloke, he looks like a bloke, he's never been anything other than a bloke and I assume has no intention to have any surgery in an attempt to be anything else. He's just a narcissist.

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[shmmeee]

I guess we do occasionally, I'm not sure I think I know most people's gender if they are people I talk about. If I'm unsure for example in a Teams chat I'd say he/her and await someone to give me the correct one. I'm not accepting there's a third undefined one as I think its rubbish. Believe me I'm not rude, I try and avoid it by just using names like I said, still think it's narcissistic language though.

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Also with the whole pronouns thing. I was always taught using them at all in the presence of a person was rude. “Who’s she the cats mother?” Id get if I did it.

 

[Astute]

Fuck this. I identify as a woman although I'm now known as a person who would love to chest feed. Only 6'2" and 17 and half St. Please let your wifes/partners/daughters share the same personal space as me.

 

[Astute]

This is what I mean, he's just a bloke, we all know he's a bloke, he looks like a bloke, he's never been anything other than a bloke and I assume has no intention to have any surgery in an attempt to be anything else. He's just a narcissist.

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That person is just a Fisher person and not an angler.

 

[Grendel]

This is what I mean, he's just a bloke, we all know he's a bloke, he looks like a bloke, he's never been anything other than a bloke and I assume has no intention to have any surgery in an attempt to be anything else. He's just a narcissist.

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On a programme after the Brits a bbc reporter said he! Was immediately corrected he grovelling apologised as if he’d used the N word and one of the people presenting with him said it’s ok people can make a mistake once as long as it’s not deliberate and older generations possibly need education on it

Can you call them a fat bastard whose are all the pies instead?

 

[TomRad85]

Oh no non-binary as a concept is a load of arrogant sexist nonsense. But just saying using they/them for a single person isn’t bad grammar.

Yeh fair, I guess we do occasionally in some situations, in others it feels wholly unnatural.

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[TomRad85]

Also with the whole pronouns thing. I was always taught using them at all in the presence of a person was rude. “Who’s she the cats mother?” Id get if I did it.

Also true, I generally use names for everyone so again it's avoidable in most situations.

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

OK fair, I think calling an individual they/them is utter nonsense but its completely avoidable by just using someone's name of course, which I guess is the polite thing to do if you think its nonsense.

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Not going to lie if I said that in school I’d lose my job. Not joking

 

[Sick Boy]

So she would be happy to share her space with another woman. But that wasn't the question.

Would she be happy to share her personal space with any bloke who identifies as a woman? Or are you saying there are no wrong uns that will use it to their advantage?

I have no idea, she’ll probably think I’m an oddball if I ask her. I take it you’ve never been to Germany before?
BTW, you’re falling hook line and sinker for the culture wars being pushed to distract away from the government.

 

[TomRad85]

On a programme after the Brits a bbc reporter said he! Was immediately corrected he grovelling apologised as if he’d used the N word and one of the people presenting with him said it’s ok people can make a mistake once as long as it’s not deliberate and older generations possibly need education on it

Can you call them a fat bastard whose are all the pies instead?

I think this is the problem. Its being pushed very hard by the media and in many workplaces despite the majority, pretty much everyone outside the fringe left really, thinking its rubbish.

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[TomRad85]

Not going to lie if I said that in school I’d lose my job. Not joking

Which is of course an absolute farce and this has of course been allowed to happen under a Conservative government. Another reason they need to piss off

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[Astute]

I have no idea, she’ll probably think I’m an oddball if I ask her. I take it you’ve never been to Germany before?
BTW, you’re falling hook line and sinker for the culture wars being pushed to distract away from the government.

Me? No.

My wife and my daughters safety is paramount. Touch them and I'm up for murder.

 

[shmmeee]

I have no idea, she’ll probably think I’m an oddball if I ask her. I take it you’ve never been to Germany before?
BTW, you’re falling hook line and sinker for the culture wars being pushed to distract away from the government.

Or it’s just not a particularly popular policy. Polling everywhere consistently shows people are happy for trans people to exist and shouldn’t be discriminated again and in the case of post SRS trans people are mostly happy for them to use some public segregated spaces. But not that children should transition or that humans can literally change sex.

It’s active legislation in most countries, and happening in a wide variety of institutions, it’s hardly a culture war. The First Minister just resigned in no small part because of trying to push it through.

 

[Grendel]

I have no idea, she’ll probably think I’m an oddball if I ask her. I take it you’ve never been to Germany before?
BTW, you’re falling hook line and sinker for the culture wars being pushed to distract away from the government.

Whatever she said sturgeon ended up resigning by trying to push legislation through - she lost support of key members of her party and Scotland at large didn’t welcome it

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

People make mistakes in school with pronouns - I know I have before. I don’t think there would be any sanctions unless we were talking about sustained and deliberate targeting, essentially bullying.

I always make mistakes and trans females have been very forgiving

 

[Sick Boy]

Whatever she said sturgeon ended up resigning by trying to push legislation through - she lost support of key members of her party and Scotland at large didn’t welcome it

It’s not a policy I personally agree with but there always seems to be a casual assumption that those who are transsexual are more likely to be sex offenders based on the actions of individuals in the news.

 

[TomRad85]

I always make mistakes and trans females have been very forgiving

Always? How many are you running into? Then on top of that after running into them how do you find yourself in a situation where you have to mention their sex?

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