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[Skybluefaz]

This is all madness... and distracting from the purpose of the government's bill.

I wonder if its possibly in place to counteract this a little too...

 

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[Deleted member 5849]

I wonder if its possibly in place to counteract this a little too...

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[skybluetony176]

I wonder if its possibly in place to counteract this a little too...

Yeah they’re clearly promoting immigration when trying to look tough on it too. Take the Hong Kong scheme. It’s been extended for a year. 4.5M allowed to apply for it, come here and basically get guaranteed citizenship after a period of time, only 160K has taken it up. It doesn’t sound like there’s hundreds of thousands of people rushing to leave Hong Kong for the UK, anyone who wants to leave has clearly had the opportunity so why extend it? I can’t help but feel that the government is disappointed at the take up, they were expecting more to apply than did and the truth is we need more to apply. I think the government has extended it purely to get more numbers.

 

[clint van damme]

Maybe they're just trying to free up all the small boats so they can use them to bring them over

 

[ccfctommy]

FAO @Grendel

 

[Grendel]

FAO @Grendel

Strangely a review is being taken and the teachers admitted a child was removed for asking questions to the guest who became upset.

No doubt they are making it up and the lessons suspended for fun and the 12 complainants are all Tory actors and. Of actual parents

 

[Grendel]

Another graph that doesn't show that a majority of people think immigration is too high. Outside of the right wind parties and a nationalist party who probably see english folk as immigrants there is not a majority who say immigration is too high.

A little tip for you, the number in the green box needs to be higher than the total of the number in the white and pink boxes

got anymore

I assume then David you won’t be voting for Sir Starmer as he’s out of touch on this issue as well?

 

[shmmeee]

So you’ve got no issues with Albanians coming as builders and fruit pickers then as they’re on the shortage list?

You won't listen, and you are refusing to read what I have said. My original statement that I have repeated over and over is that more people want less immigration in the UK than those who want more. I also said the number of people that want less migration is high, and should be taken seriously (at 44% it is actually close to being a majority anyway, and a significant number). You won't take that seriously, neither most people on this thread - which is one of the reasons why your side has not won an election in so long.

In that regard - the middle ground doesn't count. You cannot just recruit them to your side of the argument (which is what you are doing and then having the cheek to accuse me of). Unless you are getting so muddled up with this, I can only see that you are deliberately twisting what I am saying. Largely because you don't have any actual arguments. You don't want to accept that a lot of people are not happy with the high levels of immigration, which is an absolute fact.

The KS2 maths here is that 44 is bigger than 17 - that's all there is to it.

And 44 is less than 56. And that’s how democracy works.

Strangely a review is being taken and the teachers admitted a child was removed for asking questions to the guest who became upset.

No doubt they are making it up and the lessons suspended for fun and the 12 complainants are all Tory actors and. Of actual parents

If you’re teaching teenagers anything about sex you can’t have thin skin. The shit that comes out in those lessons and really you’ve got to assume good faith from any questioners just in case they really do think a salt and vinegar packet makes good contraception or whatever.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Put this crap to an end

HS2 line between Birmingham and Crewe delayed by two years

Government blames soaring construction prices but says it is "committed" to the high speed rail link.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[shmmeee]

Put this crap to an end

HS2 line between Birmingham and Crewe delayed by two years

Government blames soaring construction prices but says it is "committed" to the high speed rail link.

www.bbc.co.uk

Delays to infrastructure improvements?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Delays to infrastructure improvements?

if it were to be done, 'tis best it were done quickly.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Delays to infrastructure improvements?

It’s the king of failed and pointless infrastructure projects

 

[SBT]

Strangely a review is being taken and the teachers admitted a child was removed for asking questions to the guest who became upset.

No doubt they are making it up and the lessons suspended for fun and the 12 complainants are all Tory actors and. Of actual parents

I’ll wait for the review of course, seeing as some of the claims have already been disputed. But there is a trend recently of rumours of inappropriate sex education lessons/gender discussions turning out to be rubbish.

 

[shmmeee]

It’s the king of failed and pointless infrastructure projects

I mean it hasn’t started yet. It’s still due to provide more benefit than cost but mostly I’m just sick of this country constantly downscaling things to useless half arsed shite. We’re getting Birmingham to London, at least get Birmingham to Manchester done as well.

 

[shmmeee]

I’ll wait for the review of course, seeing as some of the claims have already been disputed. But there is a trend recently of rumours of inappropriate sex education lessons/gender discussions turning out to be rubbish.

I have no doubt there’s enthusiastic teachers taking it too far, or inappropriate guests being occasionally booked. But in the grand scheme of things it’ll be tiny tiny numbers. It’ll just end up generating a load of guidance and training materials for after school CPD and not change the fact most sex education is delivered by bored and/or awkward form tutors.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I mean it hasn’t started yet. It’s still due to provide more benefit than cost but mostly I’m just sick of this country constantly downscaling things to useless half arsed shite. We’re getting Birmingham to London, at least get Birmingham to Manchester done as well.

The Northern bit was supposedly the bit needed most, so why the hell they started by building the Southern bit, God only knows.

Not exactly levelling up.

 

[Astute]

I mean it hasn’t started yet. It’s still due to provide more benefit than cost but mostly I’m just sick of this country constantly downscaling things to useless half arsed shite. We’re getting Birmingham to London, at least get Birmingham to Manchester done as well.

Read something on it about a week ago.

Scaled back to only Manchester to London. No extra stops to be put in along the line to take on extra passengers as it would make a fast train slower.

 

[Grendel]

I’ll wait for the review of course, seeing as some of the claims have already been disputed. But there is a trend recently of rumours of inappropriate sex education lessons/gender discussions turning out to be rubbish.

Im surprised you haven’t been asked to interview the drag queen on the Island as an exclusive

 

[clint van damme]

Delays to infrastructure improvements?

 

[shmmeee]

The Northern bit was supposedly the bit needed most, so why the hell they started by building the Southern bit, God only knows.

Not exactly levelling up.

Because everything’s got to be London centric or it doesn’t get funded. Same way the great idea for technical innovation is expand Oxford and Cambridge towards London. It’s almost like their levelling up plan is to build out London until is consumes the whole country.

 

[shmmeee]

Read something on it about a week ago.

Scaled back to only Manchester to London. No extra stops to be put in along the line to take on extra passengers as it would make a fast train slower.

This is what I mean. Just spend the money and get it done properly. We’re Penny wise pound foolish in this country always trying to half arse stuff like roads and rail.

 

[SBT]

Im surprised you haven’t been asked to interview the drag queen on the Island as an exclusive

You jest, but I do find it curious that no-one seems to have tracked them down yet! Can’t imagine there are too many drag queens on the Isle of Man, let alone ones who apparently commandeered a school…

 

[clint van damme]

Because everything’s got to be London centric or it doesn’t get funded. Same way the great idea for technical innovation is expand Oxford and Cambridge towards London. It’s almost like their levelling up plan is to build out London until is consumes the whole country.

Their levelling up plan has about as much substance as my new year resolution to lose weight and get fit, in fact, I'm probably doing my new year resolution a disservice.

 

[Sick Boy]

As I said - Italy’s far-right deputy PM praises Rishi Sunak’s ‘harsh but fair’ small boats plan – UK politics live

 

[Grendel]

As I said - Italy’s far-right deputy PM praises Rishi Sunak’s ‘harsh but fair’ small boats plan – UK politics live

Im amazed how many boats land on Italy every year

 

[Sick Boy]

Im amazed how many boats land on Italy every year

There was around 25 in a single day towards the end of last summer. They’ve started to make them head to northern ports recently.
Just checked and it’s 13,000 arrivals so far this year.

 

[CCFCSteve]

The Northern bit was supposedly the bit needed most, so why the hell they started by building the Southern bit, God only knows.

Not exactly levelling up.

Always said this. Crazy. To be fair though the decision to start in the south was before the whole ‘levelling up’ stuff. Not sure who made the call

Let’s be honest most senior politicians and civil servants spend majority of their time in london and just don’t ‘get it’. It’s like the new Heathrow runway…Birmingham would surely make far more sense if the rest of transport infrastructure was good.

As I’ve said before an improved rail infrastructure was definitely the right move, the delivery, like a lot of large infrastructure projects has not been good. We’re in now though so should just plough on and get it done, anything else is just a lose lose scenario ie still costly and doesn’t even deliver original aims

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Always said this. Crazy. To be fair though the decision to start in the south was before the whole ‘levelling up’ stuff. Not sure who made the call

Let’s be honest though most senior politicians and civil servants spend majority of their time in london and just don’t ‘get it’. It’s like the new Heathrow runway…Birmingham would surely make far more sense if the rest of transport infrastructure was good.

As I’ve said before an improved rail infrastructure was definitely the right move, the delivery, like a lot of large infrastructure projects has not been good. We’re in now though so should just plough on and get it done, anything else is just a lose lose scenario ie still costly and doesn’t even deliver original aims

I didn't agree with it at the time, but it's certainly a total waste of time if it doesn't do what it's supposed to. If we're going to rip up Warwickshire countryside, at least connect the country properly as some kind of payback. Rate we're going we'll end up with all the costs, none of the benefits.

 

[Grendel]

I didn't agree with it at the time, but it's certainly a total waste of time if it doesn't do what it's supposed to. If we're going to rip up Warwickshire countryside, at least connect the country properly as some kind of payback. Rate we're going we'll end up with all the costs, none of the benefits.

It’s always been a waste of time - as you say destroyed the countryside - it’s a pathetic vanity project - they should just cancel and bite the bullet

 

[CCFCSteve]

It’s always been a waste of time - as you say destroyed the countryside - it’s a pathetic vanity project - they should just cancel and bite the bullet

I do think the rail infrastructure needed improving though. Whether HS2 was the right option to deliver this

 

[skybluetony176]

I see a bunch of right wing snowflakes are trying to get Gary Lineker cancelled.

Fair play to Gary he’s standing his ground and standing up for free speech.

 

[David O'Day]

I see a bunch of right wing snowflakes are trying to get Gary Lineker cancelled.

Fair play to Gary he’s standing his ground and standing up for free speech.

if he did leave the bbc he'd walk into a new better paid job

 

[PVA]

I see a bunch of right wing snowflakes are trying to get Gary Lineker cancelled.

Fair play to Gary he’s standing his ground and standing up for free speech.

Quite enjoying the free speech lot lose their shit over it

 

[fernandopartridge]

It’s the king of failed and pointless infrastructure projects

Why?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Because everything’s got to be London centric or it doesn’t get funded. Same way the great idea for technical innovation is expand Oxford and Cambridge towards London. It’s almost like their levelling up plan is to build out London until is consumes the whole country.

They should have built the first leg of HS2 from Manchester to Birmingham. The cost of the London leg was always going to be more expensive due to the massive CPO and related costs, the labour costs associated with London and competition for workers.

The government behave a bit like north Korea with London, everything is so London centric and foreign dignitaries visiting London will get a very false representation of the UK as a whole.