David O'Day
Well-Known Member
Taking the West of England Mayor's office from the Tories is a gain/bonus
The only Labour gain/bonus I can see is that the took the Peterborough and Cambridgeshire mayor of the Tories on second preference voting. Other than that...
I think the Greens deserve a mention for joining Labour in the second round of the Bristol Mayor election too, good accomplishment by the Greens in Bristol. Although they made gains in lots of places.
In the 2010 general election the Conservative manifesto promised a referendum on EU membership, they got 36.9% of the vote.
In the 2021 Scottish election the SNP manifesto promised a referendum on UK membership, they got 47.7% of the vote.
Why does one give a mandate and not the other?
In the 2010 general election the Conservative manifesto promised a referendum on EU membership, they got 36.9% of the vote.
In the 2021 Scottish election the SNP manifesto promised a referendum on UK membership, they got 47.7% of the vote.
Why does one give a mandate and not the other?
The mandate is having enough votes in the Scottish Parliament to push a referendum through after an election campaign saying this is exactly what they would do if they got elected after Scotland voted to remain in the EU.
If Westminster says no then this, by itself, is a reason to hold a referendum because it is not a partnership of equals.
How Scotland votes in the referendum is entirely up to the Scottish electorate.
Too late for Northern Ireland I fear having put a border in the U.K.Indeed. The union now rests on him repeatedly saying no to Sturgeon after he created the optimal conditions for her to ask in the first place
This was the better together campaign advert for the last referendum.
It's a bit more nuanced than that. The EU referendum changed the very nature of Scotland against its will. This is why the argument is there for the referendum. Otherwise, they simply couldn't call for a referendum every 4 years or so.The difference is though it’s always in their manifesto so even if the lose again they can get elected and just do it all again
Too late for Northern Ireland I fear having put a border in the U.K.
The comment actually was part of him calling on the devolved government’s to come together in a joint “Team U.K.” Covid recovery summit. Don’t think he’s invited the devolved mayors into that. Presumably because it would crash the playing politics party. I don’t think Boris has the conviction to work with the elected mayors and he knows that “Team U.K.” is a dead duck but he can make look like a look I’m the one waving the flag exercise.
I also got Yes leaflets through my door telling me how I, an Englishman, was by default less socially conscious than Scots, along with other lies about Holyrood funding. Two can play this particular game and we can always of course compare the centralisation at Westminster with the central belt bias of the SNP.
Just stop trying to divide people that are not each others’ enemies
COVID has seen SNP politicians arguing for 4 nation policies and pan UK consensus on vaccination and quarantine measures. They have argued for the union without realisingIt's a bit more nuanced than that. The EU referendum changed the very nature of Scotland against its will. This is why the argument is there for the referendum. Otherwise, they simply couldn't call for an election every 4 years or so.
They have a good argument.
OH, I agree with central belt bias with the money being spent there, but this is exactly the same as the City Centre first scheme currently being run in English councils and Combined Authorities.
Not just that, but centralising all the police means you have Grampian police using the same cars and equipment as they do in Glasgow to lesser effect. If you call the police from Aberdeen you’ll get redirected to a call centre in Govan etc etc.
At some point we need to accept that you don’t always get what you want and the answer is not to make every street or house an independent nation.
Happy to read the words of some working class people that have become disillusioned with Labour, the party needs to hear more of it.I was expecting this reply,Lefties that only see their side of the argument.
Get your heads out of the sand it’s like a child sticking their fingers in their ears going nananana.....
Labour are heading into oblivion but you cannot see it.
Chances of Boris allowing a referendum - 0
This is a very good piece. Pretty much sums up my views.
Did anybody actually care a referendum was called though ? As everybody expected a remain win .
This is the break up of the union , its our constitution , 400 years .
Not some trading bloc agreement
Has to be concrete for Westminster to allow it to happen, and with less votes than pro independence parties , why would Westminster allow it...they wont
How many foodbanks qualifies as an achievement then?
You should look upwards sometimes,
But really, just how many foodbanks are good enough?
None, because they aren't needed. If you're having to have loads because people can't even afford to feed themselves that isn't a good thing - it's a monumental failure
boy oh boy.
And so it goes on. Rather than acknowledge the failings of a party, blame those failings on the charisma of just one man in power.
Point missed.
People have been saying how the Labour party are treating working class people like scum. When it's been proven the fanboy Boris has put it into print his opinion of the working man is scum. As does his father. And JRm - remember what he said about the Grenfell victims and how he'd have been fine bacuase he was more clever and would've left the building, when the only reason many didn't was because they followed the advice they were given. And he's rather scathing of people not doing what the authorities tell them.
Point missed. Boris is a old bullshitting etonian. Admittedly, probably half the cabinet are, but Boris is one person. The perception is that there is a generation of Labour activists and MPs who have been sending out a wrong message. In the plural.
You and PVA are very, very hard work.
Point missed. Boris is a old bullshitting etonian. Admittedly, probably half the cabinet are, but Boris is one person. The perception is that there is a generation of Labour activists and MPs who have been sending out a wrong message. In the plural.
You and PVA are very, very hard work.
Exactly. Probably half the cabinet (or more). And that's not including the mental ones we don't here much about. So, also very much in the plural.
So if the opinion is that both the two main parties think you're scum but one it's fine because they think they're better than you by birthright/class and so it's OK to vote for them. If that's your take on it then it's you that thinks the British working man is an idiot.
Exactly. Probably half the cabinet (or more). And that's not including the mental ones we don't here much about. So, also very much in the plural.
So if the opinion is that both the two main parties think you're scum but one it's fine because they think they're better than you by birthright/class and so it's OK to vote for them. If that's your take on it then it's you that thinks the British working man is an idiot.
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