Do you want to discuss boring politics? (28 Viewers)
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If you haven't worked out what point I'm making yet then I can't help you
That's twice today you've missed the point quite badly though.
Your continued point seems to be repeatedly saying that Labour/the left think the working class are stupid... Then complain that people are calling the working class stupid... When you're the only one saying it (apart from Johnson and Co, of course).
clint van damme
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I've not disagreed with any criticisms of Labour. Ive said numerous times I acknowledge them.
I just don't understand why the tories get a pass. Got to be the posh accents.
British workers 'among worst idlers', suggest Tory MPs
Many British employees "prefer a lie-in to hard work", a group of Conservative MPs claims as they call for measures to boost productivity.
www.google.com
Do you think Fred was right, that 9 foodbanks in his area is a good achievement for the Tories? And that none under Labour is damning for them?
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shmmeee
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clint van damme
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I honestly think it was about to calm down for the summer and you've just bumped it and set it off again.
I hope you're proud of yourself?!
TomRad85
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Ian1779
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I was going to read this, but then I saw it was by the bestiality fantasist Austin.Labour’s finished until it finds a cure for Long Corbyn – it needs wholesale root-and-branch reform
Labour’s finished until it finds a cure for Long Corbyn
SIR Keir Starmer faces a huge challenge coming back from this week’s disastrous election results. Even the Labour leader’s most optimistic MPs know they are facing at least the next decade as…www.thesun.co.uk
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I'll never see Pride and Prejudice in the same way again!
SomersetSB
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I was expecting this reply,Lefties that only see their side of the argument.
Get your heads out of the sand it’s like a child sticking their fingers in their ears going nananana.....
Labour are heading into oblivion but you cannot see it.
skybluetony176
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Meanwhile in other news. Man responsible for ripping our country apart has said ripping our country apart would be “irresponsible and reckless”.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Indeed. The union now rests on him repeatedly saying no to Sturgeon after he created the optimal conditions for her to ask in the first place
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As an aside, that's one message Labour need to reverse that's gained traction - vote Labour, get SNP. If you vote Labour, you get rid of the point of the SNP.
Sky Blue Pete
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I can’t see a way of unifying the broad church of Labour as it is now. So sad
Brighton Sky Blue
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I have made that argument over the past few elections
clint van damme
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Your talking shit as usual. I follow plenty of right wing journalists, they're actually saying the same thing about Labour as most socialists which you'd know unless you're actually as insular as you're accusing other people of being.
However, I'm not going to read the sun.
Though after your last link its a fairly left wing publication in comparison I suppose
David O'Day
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It's always been like this Morrison/Gaitskill vs Bevin etc
clint van damme
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Centrists forgetting about a 2nd referendum and the left forgetting about Corbyn would be a start
chiefdave
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In the 2010 general election the Conservative manifesto promised a referendum on EU membership, they got 36.9% of the vote.
In the 2021 Scottish election the SNP manifesto promised a referendum on UK membership, they got 47.7% of the vote.
Why does one give a mandate and not the other?
Grendel
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It is a totally different scenario. The vote previously was declared a once in a generation and is being ignored
The SNP lost the last referendum but were elected to govern.
In the prior election more Scots voted Brexit then the SNP
And as I type Sturgeon is stalling on even moving on it. I wonder why
Brighton Sky Blue
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Because they had one 7 years ago and will just keep redoing it until they win at the expense of simply governing the country.
Grendel
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They’ll lower the voting age to 12 to get it through
Brighton Sky Blue
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Actually look at the state of education, NHS, policing and so on up there since 2011. All might I add with more funding per head than anywhere in England or Wales and often twice as much as NE England just across the border. This obsession with building a fence at Gretna has got to be buried until at least 2040
skybluetony176
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The only Labour gain/bonus I can see is that the took the Peterborough and Cambridgeshire mayor of the Tories on second preference voting. Other than that...
I think the Greens deserve a mention for joining Labour in the second round of the Bristol Mayor election too, good accomplishment by the Greens in Bristol. Although they made gains in lots of places.
I think the Greens deserve a mention for joining Labour in the second round of the Bristol Mayor election too, good accomplishment by the Greens in Bristol. Although they made gains in lots of places.
David O'Day
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Taking the West of England Mayor's office from the Tories is a gain/bonus
David O'Day
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Because the Tories in Westminster had the legal powers to call a referendum where as the Scottish government doesn't.
Philosoraptor
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The mandate is having enough votes in the Scottish Parliament to push a referendum through after an election campaign saying this is exactly what they would do if they got elected after Scotland voted to remain in the EU.
If Westminster says no then this, by itself, is a reason to hold a referendum because it is not a partnership of equals.
How Scotland votes in the referendum is entirely up to the Scottish electorate.
Philosoraptor
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This was the better together campaign advert for the last referendum.
Grendel
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The difference is though it’s always in their manifesto so even if the lose again they can get elected and just do it all again
skybluetony176
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Too late for Northern Ireland I fear having put a border in the U.K.
The comment actually was part of him calling on the devolved government’s to come together in a joint “Team U.K.” Covid recovery summit. Don’t think he’s invited the devolved mayors into that. Presumably because it would crash the playing politics party. I don’t think Boris has the conviction to work with the elected mayors and he knows that “Team U.K.” is a dead duck but he can make look like a look I’m the one waving the flag exercise.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I also got Yes leaflets through my door telling me how I, an Englishman, was by default less socially conscious than Scots, along with other lies about Holyrood funding. Two can play this particular game and we can always of course compare the centralisation at Westminster with the central belt bias of the SNP.
Just stop trying to divide people that are not each others’ enemies
Philosoraptor
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It's a bit more nuanced than that. The EU referendum changed the very nature of Scotland against its will. This is why the argument is there for the referendum. Otherwise, they simply couldn't call for a referendum every 4 years or so.
They have a good argument.
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Brighton Sky Blue
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NI is different, we cannot legally deny a border poll if it would likely be voted through. Scotland had one 7 years ago and the SNP will always argue for it regardless of whatever the UK government does because they will never accept that perhaps the Union works.