Do you want to discuss boring politics? (35 Viewers)

[David O'Day]

This is of the back of a Facebook smear campaign against the Labour candidate. Long story short the Labour candidate was part of the local healthcare management that had to decide what services were cut under austerity forced upon them by the Conservatives. In this post truth world Facebook adds were saying that the Labour candidate cut services not services cut after funding cut by the Conservative government. In this post truth world it gained traction, people heard what they wanted to hear and voted Tory. Not sure it changed the overall outcome though.

He wasn't even true as he is GP

 

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[Evo1883]

Bloody hell. Another one to go with the bloke yesterday who says he's had enough of Labour because there were no foodbanks under them, but 9 under the tories. This guy blames Labour for no hospitals being built.

What fucking chance do Labour, or anyone, have when people have views like this

There is stupid everywhere

 

[Deleted member 4439]

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Yes, and from listening to radio 4 just now, apparently KS is a white privileged man dumping on the female and northern fraternity, rather than perhaps being concerned that Angela Raynor's brand of aggressive sniping and negativity might have put a few off. I'm afraid any change in the Labour party is going to be a long time coming.

 

[Ian1779]

Bloody hell. Another one to go with the bloke yesterday who says he's had enough of Labour because there were no foodbanks under them, but 9 under the tories. This guy blames Labour for no hospitals being built.

What fucking chance do Labour, or anyone, have when people have views like this

Nothing from the interviewer to challenge this. Challenging this rubbish is not being disrespectful, or condescending - it’s just pointing out facts.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

How much value do any of those 'brands' have anymore? Is there a discussion to be had to merging all three under a new name to try and lose some of the baggage.

Very drastic but I can't see any sign of a Labour resurgence anytime soon and the Lub Dem and Greens are firmly on the sidelines.

The parties couldn’t agree to a ‘progressive alliance’ which would rally behind the party best poised to topple the Tory MP in a given constituency.

It was astounding that the Lib Dems and Labour couldn’t agree to stand aside in marginals. You had a Lib Dem candidate in Kensington saying vote LD to stop Brexit and the Tories... it was (then) a Labour seat and the split between the parties allowed the Tories to win.

Really bad politics all around.

 

[Evo1883]

Yes, and from listening to radio 4 just now, apparently KS is a white privileged man dumping on the female and northern fraternity, rather than perhaps being concerned that Angela Raynor's brand of aggressive sniping and negativity might have put a few off. I'm afraid any change in the Labour party is going to be a long time coming.

Going to take a few more decimations in elections to get the point home to many of these people , I fear

 

[Ian1779]

Going to take a few more decimations in elections to get the point home to many of these people , I fear

Was it a a Labour MP/activist making that comment - or is that just your assumption. Could quite have easily been a Tory making that statement.

 

[David O'Day]

Was it a a Labour MP/activist making that comment - or is that just your assumption. Could quite have easily been a Tory making that statement.

It's a common line today on twitter but mostly from people who call KS Keith and have never actually been in the party.

 

[SomersetSB]

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This is what we are dealing with total crackpot left,She’ll realise when she gets in the real world!!

 

[Evo1883]

Was it a a Labour MP/activist making that comment - or is that just your assumption. Could quite have easily been a Tory making that statement.

I doubt it but would never say never .

Identity politics are normally a left wing obsession

 

[SomersetSB]

Why debate with that crackpot

Oh you’ve arisen, how was your Sunday last week o’drivel?

 

[Ian1779]

This is what we are dealing with total crackpot left,She’ll realise when she gets in the real world!!

I suppose the guy in the Hartlepool video was spot on as well yeah?

 

[Ian1779]

I doubt it but would never say never .

Identity politics are normally a left wing obsession

True - leave that populism bollocks to the right.

 

[SomersetSB]

Labour are thick,Why didn’t they put a pro brexit candidate in Hartlepool?
Pretty thick really, just shows how far apart they are from the working man and us baby boomers who’ve realised they are controlled still by momentum and their idealistic crap.
Get in a room and sort it out get rid of the left that’s the only way you’ll ever get in power.
Bite the bullet and be more centrist otherwise it’s oblivion I’m afraid with all the in fighting.

 

[Deleted member 4439]

Was it a a Labour MP/activist making that comment - or is that just your assumption. Could quite have easily been a Tory making that statement.

A labour activist, and I didn't get her name, but it was on the news so presumably a prominent member.

 

[PVA]

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There is.

The Hartlepool bloke gave a completely stupid opinion about parties and policies that influenced how he voted

I can't call him thick though because I don't have a plummy accent.

Must start working on that so I can call him thick and get applauded. Get my boots licked clean while I'm at it.

And if I call him thick then it's directly my fault that he voted Tory, despite having never met him.

 

[Skybluefaz]

Labour are thick,Why didn’t they put a pro brexit candidate in Hartlepool?
Pretty thick really, just shows how far apart they are from the working man and us baby boomers who’ve realised they are controlled still by momentum and their idealistic crap.
Get in a room and sort it out get rid of the left that’s the only way you’ll ever get in power.
Bite the bullet and be more centrist otherwise it’s oblivion I’m afraid with all the in fighting.

Probably thinking that Brexit is done so leave/remain status of an individual should not matter. Which it shouldn't now. The error is probably not making that clear enough from a Labour party perspective. Brexit is done now let's try and move on and make things better.

 

[SomersetSB]

Probably thinking that Brexit is done so leave/remain status of an individual should not matter. Which it shouldn't now. The error is probably not making that clear enough from a Labour party perspective. Brexit is done now let's try and move on and make things better.

Like I said get all in a room and sort it out,Politics needs a strong opposition that is together and is singing from the same hymn sheet.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Labour are thick,Why didn’t they put a pro brexit candidate in Hartlepool?
Pretty thick really, just shows how far apart they are from the working man and us baby boomers who’ve realised they are controlled still by momentum and their idealistic crap.
Get in a room and sort it out get rid of the left that’s the only way you’ll ever get in power.
Bite the bullet and be more centrist otherwise it’s oblivion I’m afraid with all the in fighting.

What does be more centrist mean?

 

[SomersetSB]

More towards the middle,Less left wing?
How far Labour have fallen if the working class reject them for tories.
Chirpy chirpy cheap cheap/Middle of the road a bit of both.
If Labour don’t change they’ll always be a protest party in opposition.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

More towards the middle,Less left wing?
How far Labour have fallen if the working class reject them for tories.
Chirpy chirpy cheap cheap/Middle of the road a bit of both.
If Labour don’t change they’ll always be a protest party in opposition.

I know but what does that mean in practice?

 

[Ian1779]

Like I said get all in a room and sort it out,Politics needs a strong opposition that is together and is singing from the same hymn sheet.

Labour can’t win without the left being on board. That’s a fact.

 

[SomersetSB]

Labour can’t win without the left being on board. That’s a fact.

Shame, they’ll never govern again then imo.

 

[Ian1779]

Shame, they’ll never govern again then imo.

May well be the case, but seeing as they have already lost Scotland forever, as well as half of Wales they don’t have a choice.

 

[Skybluefaz]

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

ID cards should be used

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

My grandad was a miner at Binley pit,He’d never have voted for Corbyn and his like but I feel they need a figure like Burnham to get the party together and realise there’s life outside the big cities.

The same Andy Burnham who is in charge of one of the biggest cities in England?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Labour can’t win without the left being on board. That’s a fact.

Looool being too left wing cost them with Corbyn, some people will never learn

 

[clint van damme]

ID cards should be used

Why? Are you suggesting some irregularity with the tories recent election successes?
There's no need and they'll just outsource it to one of their grifting mates like they did with track and trace, at huge expense to the tax payer.

 

[Ian1779]

Looool being too left wing cost them with Corbyn, some people will never learn

Not backing Brexit is ultimately what cost them - a lot of their policies are generally popular.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Why? Are you suggesting some irregularity with the tories recent election successes?
There's no need and they'll just outsource it to one of their grifting mates like they did with track and trace, at huge expense to the tax payer.

Bullshit, why’s it such a problem about proving you’re identity.....always making excuses

 

[PVA]

ID cards should be used

No they shouldn't.

It stops people voting. Of course the Tories want to introduce it though.

What next in their quest for dictatorship I wonder.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Bullshit, why’s it such a problem about proving you’re identity.....always making excuses

It's been a long established voter suppression tactic in the US

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

No they shouldn't.

It stops people voting. Of course the Tories want to introduce it though.

What next in their quest for dictatorship I wonder.

Cry some more, tories are here to stay

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

It's been a long established voter suppression tactic in the US

I genuinely don’t understand why proving you’re identity is wrong tho