Grendel
Well-Known Member
you said people don’t protest
If you want people looting and smashing things up good for you
So you think our protesting is similar to that of the French?
So you think our protesting is similar to that of the French?
Well it seems Lineker was pretty spot on doesn't it?
He said there wasn't an influx, surely given this it just proves he's completely wrong?
I'm not arguing the decision to raise it, I'm arguing the bypassing of a democratic prrocess to do it.He did but on the flip side, he said he planned to raise the pension age during the presidential election campaign and was re-elected
I’m no fan of Macron or the presidential system but he’s not doing this for his own benefit. Difficult decisions are rarely popular. Many people prefer for the can to be kicked down the road, leave the problem for someone else to deal with and that’s when you end up with the Johnson’s of this world promising the Earth and delivering very little
I'm not arguing the decision to raise it, I'm arguing the bypassing of a democratic prrocess to do it.
I'm not arguing the decision to raise it, I'm arguing the bypassing of a democratic prrocess to do it.
I’m sure people will be protesting about the hotels going out of business now…… any minute.How so? This is just moving them out of hotels because people have been protesting about them being in hotels.
Littlewood getting a nod after bigging up the mini-budget is pretty funny.As a small aside, I read the headline and thought yes, it was ridiculous she was doing a list.
Liz Truss resignation honours list criticised by ex-aides
The former PM, who spent 49 days in office, has reportedly nominated four people for peerages.www.bbc.co.uk
Then I read the list and it's... four people. OK, I don't like them, but would I like anybody Liz Truss nominated? And at least it's not her Mum - it's not exactly on a Johnson level, is it?
As a small aside, I read the headline and thought yes, it was ridiculous she was doing a list.
Liz Truss resignation honours list criticised by ex-aides
The former PM, who spent 49 days in office, has reportedly nominated four people for peerages.www.bbc.co.uk
Then I read the list and it's... four people. OK, I don't like them, but would I like anybody Liz Truss nominated? And at least it's not her Mum - it's not exactly on a Johnson level, is it?
Used to deal with one of his companies where I worked.
. He had cash flow problems, got special payment terms but eventually we took the work of him.
We took half the process in house and out sourced the other half to a firm down south. The fella that owned that company made very serious money out of it.
God knows how Godfrey fucked it up, I think he maynot be quite as shrewd as he thinks, not sure why anyone would listen to him about anything!
Yawn.As you approve one assumes of a republic where a little napoleon can do what he likes
Tom Peck has facilitated shit like this his entire journalistic career - he can get fucked.I thought this was a decent summary of it!
Yep, the smug c**tTom Peck has facilitated shit like this his entire journalistic career - he can get fucked.
Nobody has a 'job for life', except the lawmakers in the HoL.When did “unelected” become the worst possible thing in the world? The vast majority of people in any democracy aren’t elected and never have been. We hear it about the civil service, the EU, the HoL.
Where does it end? Elections for teachers and bin men?
Nobody has a 'job for life', except the lawmakers in the HoL.
It's a crony riddled gravy train that has actual embedded political power.
It's not fit for purpose. It was a temporary solution enabled by the Parliament Act 1911, and the fact that it's still bumbling along today is a disgrace.
If I wanted your opinion, I'd give it to you.Yeah jobs for life shouldn’t exist but that wasn’t your main complaint it was that they were unelected.
Its far more fit for purpose than an elected second chamber which would be an absolute joke as well as a serious weakening of the law making process IMO.
Frankly anyone anti Brexit should be glad the Lords exists.
£10K. Talk about having an over inflated opinion of yourself.The worst thing about this is not the obscene amounts of cash they're asking for, but the fact they're so easily duped into talking to a fake company. Seemingly no vetting process, just whoring themselves out to anyone with the money.
You can see why Kwarteng with his brilliant grasp of the difference between dollars and pounds£10K. Talk about having an over inflated opinion of yourself.
How can it be a weakening of the law-making process when it can be effectively controlled by the party in government with new appointments. Just gets bigger and bigger and costs more? Plus the government can overrule them and push legislation through anyway, using the excuse they have no mandate as they're unelected.Yeah jobs for life shouldn’t exist but that wasn’t your main complaint it was that they were unelected.
Its far more fit for purpose than an elected second chamber which would be an absolute joke as well as a serious weakening of the law making process IMO.
Frankly anyone anti Brexit should be glad the Lords exists.
When did “unelected” become the worst possible thing in the world? The vast majority of people in any democracy aren’t elected and never have been. We hear it about the civil service, the EU, the HoL.
Where does it end? Elections for teachers and bin men?
Yeah, mine was a general point about the French really. They chose to have a republic, they re-elected a president who said he planned to reform pensions/raise pension age…and now they’re rioting when their elected president uses his presidential powers to implement the changes he forewarned them about
Also general point that unfortunately as we all live longer there’s going to have to be more tough calls to be made surrounding pension age, higher taxes for social care and health etc, the sooner politicians are honest with the public about this, the better
How can it be a weakening of the law-making process when it can be effectively controlled by the party in government with new appointments. Just gets bigger and bigger and costs more? Plus the government can overrule them and push legislation through anyway, using the excuse they have no mandate as they're unelected.
At least an elected chamber might better reflect the overall mood of the population and thus have a mandate.
Obviously it would depend on how it was implemented but I can't see how having an unelected upper chamber chosen by the parties in power is better. Why not just go back to making it controlled by the crown and landowners?
But the elected chamber would just be a reflection of the other elected chamber, so completely pointless?How can it be a weakening of the law-making process when it can be effectively controlled by the party in government with new appointments. Just gets bigger and bigger and costs more? Plus the government can overrule them and push legislation through anyway, using the excuse they have no mandate as they're unelected.
At least an elected chamber might better reflect the overall mood of the population and thus have a mandate.
Obviously it would depend on how it was implemented but I can't see how having an unelected upper chamber chosen by the parties in power is better. Why not just go back to making it controlled by the crown and landowners?
But the elected chamber would just be a reflection of the other elected chamber, so completely pointless?
Depends on what system we’d use to vote them in. If it’s FPTP then it would be pointless. If it was a different system that represented vote share then it would have a better bearing on what people voted and therefore a legitimacy.But the elected chamber would just be a reflection of the other elected chamber, so completely pointless?
Depends on what system we’d use to vote them in. If it’s FPTP then it would be pointless. If it was a different system that represented vote share then it would have a better bearing on what people voted and therefore a legitimacy.
You seem to be suggesting that doesn’t happen already. Only now it happens through an unelected system.Ah so would want a stalemate system where no legislation gets past a second chamber
Ah so would want a stalemate system where no legislation gets past a second chamber
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