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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Deleted member 5849 said:
Frighteningly I agree with him, though!
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While I agree the whole idea is meaningless, he's wrong about enjoying another hour of darkness. There's the same amount of darkness (well, about 6 minutes more) as the day before. You just need to get up earlier you lazy prick.

And if we did stay on one time it'd be GMT, not BST.
 
duffer

duffer

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fernandopartridge said:


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No matter what the principled response is, do not say anything, ever, that might scare The Daily Mail. And don't let anyone else in your party say it either.

If we're that desperate for Tory votes we might as well get Kenneth Clarke in to run the party. He's probably further to the left and less worried about upsetting The Mail than Starmer is turning out to be.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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duffer said:
No matter what the principled response is, do not say anything, ever, that might scare The Daily Mail. And don't let anyone else in your party say it either.

If we're that desperate for Tory votes we might as well get Kenneth Clarke in to run the party. He's probably further to the left and less worried about upsetting The Mail than Starmer is turning out to be.
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It’s not about Tory votes. It’s about distancing from Corbyns Labour. And the fact that a large chunk of the anti-Corbyn left made being pro Israel a huge part of their identity.
 
duffer

duffer

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shmmeee said:
It’s not about Tory votes. It’s about distancing from Corbyns Labour. And the fact that a large chunk of the anti-Corbyn left made being pro Israel a huge part of their identity.
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The left of the party wasn't anti-Corbyn, and in fairness nor were most of the membership. It was primarily the PLP that didn't like him.

Starmer has gone some way beyond just moving away from Corbyn. Despite what he said when running for election, he's shifted the whole party way to the right and brooks no dissent, even on issues such as this.

If he's not interested in Tory votes then I don't know why he so closely follows government policy on this, and spending commitments, right to roam, child benefit cap, etc etc.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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duffer said:
The left of the party wasn't anti-Corbyn, and in fairness nor were most of the membership. It was primarily the PLP that didn't like him.

Starmer has gone some way beyond just moving away from Corbyn. Despite what he said when running for election, he's shifted the whole party way to the right and brooks no dissent, even on issues such as this.

If he's not interested in Tory votes then I don't know why he so closely follows government policy on this, and spending commitments, right to roam, child benefit cap, etc etc.
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I mean some were. But that’s not what I said. Not the left of Labour. The left full stop. Be they in Labour or not.

And I mean he is interested in Tory votes. That’s how you win an election. Tory policy is Tory policy generally because it wins elections. The stuff they want is the tax breaks and chances to raid the treasury, but they don’t put that on the manifesto.
 
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SBT

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While I’m not exactly optimistic about Britain’s standing in the global pecking order, I did at least hope we’d rank above Elon Musk!
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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shmmeee said:
I mean some were. But that’s not what I said. Not the left of Labour. The left full stop. Be they in Labour or not.

And I mean he is interested in Tory votes. That’s how you win an election. Tory policy is Tory policy generally because it wins elections. The stuff they want is the tax breaks and chances to raid the treasury, but they don’t put that on the manifesto.
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Starmer is playing it coy - he’s not getting involved In a massively divisive issue.. so he remains on the fence
 
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PVA

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Seems like a well adjusted chap


In December 2021, he had the following to say:

“what this country needs is a series of internment camps whereby the kinds of people disposed to commit these offences (which you can determine by their ideology and worldviews) can be put away BEFORE they strike. Such facilities to be financed by the forced labour of the people in there of course.”

In replying to a user who wrote “When you see every lamppost with strung up traitors for miles , that’s scary enough”, he stated:

“I’ve always been of the view that the best way of beating someone isn’t simply to defeat them, but to utterly destroy them. Whilst public spectacle is certainly satisfying, what is more satisfying is to quickly and effortlessly do the deed, then just erase every trace of them ever having existed. The best fate for them isn’t to end them, but rather to make it so no one even realises that they ever lived.”


Yerbury has continued to make such statements, for example writing on Facebook last month:

“When it comes to the hard left, do you understand now why Franco and a certain Austrian did what they did to those sort [sic] of people?”
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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Ian1779 said:
He’s a spineless, gutless excuse for a leader, and it would appear a pretty shit Human rights lawyer based on his recent statements.
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I don’t disagree - but at the moment the tories are literally digging their own graves, what Starmer doesn’t need to do is Wade into a highly charged debate that may change that. Like it or not he’s politicking to win a general election

this is why you don’t hear any policies yet, let the tories continue to shoot themselves in the foot and don’t give them or the media any ammunition.

frustrating, boring or unprincipled - but it’s the way to guarentee he sits in 10 Downing Street in 18 months time
 
Ian1779

Ian1779

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HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
I don’t disagree - but at the moment the tories are literally digging their own graves, what Starmer doesn’t need to do is Wade into a highly charged debate that may change that. Like it or not he’s politicking to win a general election

this is why you don’t hear any policies yet, let the tories continue to shoot themselves in the foot and don’t give them or the media any ammunition.

frustrating, boring or unprincipled - but it’s the way to guarentee he sits in 10 Downing Street in 18 months time
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This is about innocent people losing their lives in a terrible conflict. If he hasn’t even got the principles to challenge that then why do we want to swap one spineless, insipid clown for another?
 
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PVA

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Why the fuck is the PM interviewing anyone like he's Terry Wogan or something in the first place? Utterly bizarre.

Presumably he's already working on his post-PM tech bro career and trying to line stuff up ready for when he's booted out.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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Ian1779 said:
This is about innocent people losing their lives in a terrible conflict. If he hasn’t even got the principles to challenge that then why do we want to swap one spineless, insipid clown for another?
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I don’t disagree - we’re at the point where the best option to the current turd is a polished turd.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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PVA said:
Why the fuck is the PM interviewing anyone like he's Terry Wogan or something in the first place? Utterly bizarre.

Presumably he's already working on his post-PM tech bro career and trying to line stuff up ready for when he's booted out.
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And why is he asking what’s basically a media personality about AI, of all the people at Bletchley for this Musk probably knows the least. The man claimed we’d have robots is in 2017 FFS
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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SBAndy said:
I know there’s the end-to-end encryption but surely GCHQ have managed to work around it?
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Clearly not. Hence the “encryption is terrorism” shite not so long ago.

A good sign for what GCHQ haven’t managed to crack is what the politicians use TBF.

But any govt minister should have strict infosec policies that should preclude this crap. There has to be a paper trail, surely?
 
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CCFCSteve

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shmmeee said:
Clearly not. Hence the “encryption is terrorism” shite not so long ago.

A good sign for what GCHQ haven’t managed to crack is what the politicians use TBF.

But any govt minister should have strict infosec policies that should preclude this crap. There has to be a paper trail, surely?
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You’d hope there’s a full paper trail of all key decisions, however, wasnt it hancock who deleted some of his emails/what’s apps about certain contracts ? It’s totally unprofessional. In my old job where we had to file note any key decisions, strategy etc we’d have been slaughtered if the regulator came in and we said sorry, it’s on what’s app and I’ve deleted it.

Not sure why Sunak doesn’t want to deliver up his. Obviously there’s someone on the other end of each and every message which the inquiry will pick up so wondering if it’s non covid related ?! 🤷‍♂️
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

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For Hancock it should be guilty until proven innocent throw him in jail until he spills the beans.

Sunak should be hit where it will really hurt him freeze all his assets annd his wife’s until he comes clean.
 
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