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SBT · Feb 23, 2024

Deleted member 5849 said:
It is slightly worrying that there's a possibility Braverman will indeed be next leader of the Conservatives. You'd hope that'd mean they'd be destroyed in an election, but Trump looked a harmless crank who just shot his mouth off with nobody listening, and he's now mainstream and worrying. In recent years, British politics does tend to follow American politics a few years later on delay, so maybe we will see a Braverman premiership.

I don’t know if Braverman herself has the political talent to become PM (I doubt it) but her views on Islam are now more mainstream than ever - it was previously only the kind of stuff you’d hear people like Nick Griffin say. Now it’s in major newspapers (and on this board).

I also think the importing of American politics into British culture will only make things more toxic here. Seeing people on this forum go to the mat to defend things like gun ownership rights and anti-abortion laws - subjects which have been long settled issues over here for decades and have almost no relevance to everyday British life - is mind-boggling to me.

skybluetony176 · Feb 23, 2024

fernandopartridge said:
You were voting for Tory austerity back then backed by the same media

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I’m sorry but he was head of the CPS, it would be naive at best, deliberately stupid at worst to think that he wasn’t talking to the press. You really don’t have to spend too long on google to see he did many interviews with all areas of the press in his capacity as head of the CPS and there’s also dozens of interviews with him on YouTube with a whole range of outlets from the same period. And guess what, people on the right also talk to left wing media.

shmmeee · Feb 23, 2024

skybluetony176 said:
I’m sorry but he was head of the CPS, it would be naive at best, deliberately stupid at worst to think that he wasn’t talking to the press. You really don’t have to spend too long on google to see he did many interviews with all areas of the press in his capacity as head of the CPS and there’s also dozens of interviews with him on YouTube with a whole range of outlets from the same period. And guess what, people on the right also talk to left wing media.

Just desperate justification so they feel OK backing the Tories.

skybluetony176 · Feb 23, 2024

fernandopartridge said:
You were voting for Tory austerity back then backed by the same media

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Plus you voted in a referendum that guaranteed a Tory government for another 8 years. To make matters worse a Tory government with Boris guaranteed as leader. I’ll let you off with Truss, no one could have seen that coming. You should probably reflect on your own voting history before judging mine. And the difference between me and you is I acknowledge I fucked up with my voting history, you’re still buying into the right wing ideology that the wrong type of Brexit was delivered rather than accepting that there isn’t and never was and never will be a good/right brexit.

wingy · Feb 23, 2024

skybluetony176 said:
Plus you voted in a referendum that guaranteed a Tory government for another 8 years. To make matters worse a Tory government with Boris guaranteed as leader. I’ll let you off with Truss, no one could have seen that coming. You should probably reflect on your own voting history before judging mine. And the difference between me and you is I acknowledge I fucked up with my voting history, you’re still buying into the right wing ideology that the wrong type of Brexit was delivered rather than accepting that there isn’t and never was and never will be a good/right brexit.

Only by dragging the other down to their level which I think is true?

OffenhamSkyBlue · Feb 23, 2024

This thread was going a whole lot better before it descended into playground bickering about individuals' voting habits (which are frankly nobody's business but their own). You have taken it to the same gutter level as the parliamentary numpties we are supposed to be discussing.
Please can we get back to the topic in hand?

SBT · Feb 23, 2024

OffenhamSkyBlue said:
This thread was going a whole lot better before it descended into playground bickering about individuals' voting habits (which are frankly nobody's business but their own). You have taken it to the same gutter level as the parliamentary numpties we are supposed to be discussing.
Please can we get back to the topic in hand?

I would say you had a good point but you voted for Craig in season 1 of Big Brother

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 23, 2024

OffenhamSkyBlue said:
This thread was going a whole lot better before it descended into playground bickering about individuals' voting habits (which are frankly nobody's business but their own). You have taken it to the same gutter level as the parliamentary numpties we are supposed to be discussing.
Please can we get back to the topic in hand?

I'd agree... but it's handy to know the next time a one-dimensional righty comes along to say this board has been monopolised by lefties... that it seems just about everybody has voted for a Tory at some point in their past!

Grendel · Feb 23, 2024

Deleted member 5849 said:
I'd agree... but it's handy to know the next time a one-dimensional righty comes along to say this board has been monopolised by lefties... that it seems just about everybody has voted for a Tory at some point in their past!

You strike me as a William Hague sort of guy

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 23, 2024

Grendel said:
You strike me as a William Hague sort of guy

The time when it seemed the Tories had positioned themselves as uber-right because Labour had stolen their position... but it now feels like a time of moderation from them!

Sick Boy · Feb 23, 2024

Deleted member 5849 said:
I'd agree... but it's handy to know the next time a one-dimensional righty comes along to say this board has been monopolised by lefties... that it seems just about everybody has voted for a Tory at some point in their past!

Oi, I haven’t!

PVA · Feb 23, 2024

SBT said:
I would say you had a good point but you voted for Craig in season 1 of Big Brother

Yeah but you voted for Nasty Nick

wingy · Feb 23, 2024

Begum judgement and ofgem (joke) topics for this this morning? Vehicle either for government or as a filter too themselves?

wingy · Feb 23, 2024

So the tax on energy reduces by circa 12% from April perfect timing for May? How much will be off interest by then?

SBT · Feb 23, 2024

Just impossibly bleak

shmmeee · Feb 23, 2024

SBT said:
Just impossibly bleak

Woman should be studied for her congenital lack of shame.

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 23, 2024

SBT said:
Just impossibly bleak

You can see where the trend is going for British politics, can't you.

duffer · Feb 23, 2024

Deleted member 5849 said:
I'd agree... but it's handy to know the next time a one-dimensional righty comes along to say this board has been monopolised by lefties... that it seems just about everybody has voted for a Tory at some point in their past!

Speak for yourself, our kid! I've done plenty of things that I can justifiably feel ashamed of or embarrassed about, but voting Tory isn't one of them.

In the meantime, back on topic, having stuck up for the SNP's right to raise their own motion on Gaza, it feels to me that refusing to accept the speaker's genuine apology for what happened in the debate is petty and spiteful.

I think he was wrong too, and he got played by Starmer, but regardless of opinion on that, that's as honest an apology as I can remember anyone in the HoC making.

Given that most MPs seem to accept he's done a good job up until now, I hope that he stays in post.

shmmeee · Feb 23, 2024

Deleted member 5849 said:
You can see where the trend is going for British politics, can't you.

Ban US social media until we figure out what the hell is going on.

duffer · Feb 23, 2024

shmmeee said:
Woman should be studied for her congenital lack of shame.

Not sure what they'd find, mate.

If you've only got one brain cell to process with, I guess you can't afford to burden it with unnecessary emotions.

shmmeee · Feb 23, 2024

duffer said:
Not sure what they'd find, mate.

If you've only got one brain cell to process with, I guess you can't afford to burden it with unnecessary emotions.

Its genuinely quite sad. She’s clearly not a true believer, just desperate to be accepted.

wingy · Feb 23, 2024

shmmeee said:
Ban US social media until we figure out what the hell is going on.

Time to figure out our alliance's!

CCFCSteve · Feb 23, 2024

Deleted member 5849 said:
You can see where the trend is going for British politics, can't you.

That lack of contrition and self awareness is scary. Fruitcake

Grendel · Feb 23, 2024

Deleted member 5849 said:
You can see where the trend is going for British politics, can't you.

Not really as she’s just a lunatic

PVA · Feb 23, 2024

shmmeee said:
Its genuinely quite sad. She’s clearly not a true believer, just desperate to be accepted.

Yeah I think she's just a grifter. Following the $$

jimmyhillsfanclub · Feb 23, 2024

Sick Boy said:
Oi, I haven’t!

Me neither.

I've mainly voted green since the 90s.....

Probably just spoil my ballot paper next time around....at least that still gets counted.

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 23, 2024

Grendel said:
Not really as she’s just a lunatic

As is Trump!

duffer said:
it feels to me that refusing to accept the speaker's genuine apology for what happened in the debate is petty and spiteful.

What kind of world are we living in?!?

duffer · Feb 23, 2024

Deleted member 5849 said:
As is Trump!

What kind of world are we living in?!?

Worrying. Could it be that Mark Francois is actually my brother from another mother?

PVA · Feb 23, 2024

Deleted member 5849 said:
What kind of world are we living in?!?

Grendel · Feb 23, 2024

Well he’s asking for the SNP debate - and therefore I assume their motion - to be re-introduced

shmmeee · Feb 23, 2024

So glad we’ve solved everything and can spend weeks of parliamentary focus on procedure issues over a position statement on a war on the other side of the planet we aren’t involved in and have no influence over.

duffer · Feb 23, 2024

shmmeee said:
So glad we’ve solved everything and can spend weeks of parliamentary focus on procedure issues over a position statement on a war on the other side of the planet we aren’t involved in and have no influence over.

I don't understand this point of view at all, it's an absolute failure to understand how foreign policy works.

We were involved at the start of this whole mess when Israel was established, we've got a seat on the UN security council and hence a permanent veto on their resolutions, we trade with Israel and with other countries directly affected, we sell arms to Israel, and our shipping is under attack in the Middle East because of our seeming support for Israel.

Politely, it's a nonsense to claim that what we say either as a government or as a potential government, makes no difference. It absolutely does, both domestically and internationally.

PVA · Feb 23, 2024

duffer said:
I don't understand this point of view at all, it's an absolute failure to understand how foreign policy works.

We were involved at the start of this whole mess when Israel was established, we've got a seat on the UN security council and hence a permanent veto on their resolutions, we trade with Israel and with other countries directly affected, we sell arms to Israel, and our shipping is under attack in the Middle East because of our seeming support for Israel.

Politely, it's a nonsense to claim that what we say either as a government or as a potential government, makes no difference. It absolutely does, both domestically and internationally.

I agree that what we, as a country, say matters.

But in this particular case saying the right thing is good, and what we all want, but realistically will have zero effect on what is happening in Gaza (sad as that may be).

A motion was passed urging for a ceasefire. That's what everyone wants right?

It's the stupid political games and name calling because the nasty boy's motion was used not mine, because a particular wording wasn't used, because the speaker said such and such. Etc etc

The motion was passed, the house agreed a ceasefire.

That should be the end of it, but as shmmeee says we're now going to get a week or more of arguing over passing a motion with the end result everyone wanted because...reasons.

duffer · Feb 23, 2024

PVA said:
I agree that what we, as a country, say matters.

But in this particular case saying the right thing is good, and what we all want, but realistically will have zero effect on what is happening in Gaza (sad as that may be).

A motion was passed urging for a ceasefire. That's what everyone wants right?

It's the stupid political games and name calling because the nasty boy's motion was used not mine, because a particular wording wasn't used, because the speaker said such and such. Etc etc

The motion was passed, the house agreed a ceasefire.

That should be the end of it, but as shmmeee says we're now going to get a week or more of arguing over passing a motion with the end result everyone wanted because...reasons.

Just a couple of points, because of the chaos the motion wasn't really voted on... particularly by the government. And actually knowing where individual MPs stand is impossible to determine.

Regardless, if it was as simple as everyone wanting a ceasefire, then why didn't the original SNP motion just go through unchallenged?

Whether what we say as a government makes much difference in Gaza depends on whether that influences what we (and others) do, both now and in the future. You'd have to hope that it does.

fernandopartridge · Feb 23, 2024

OffenhamSkyBlue said:
This thread was going a whole lot better before it descended into playground bickering about individuals' voting habits (which are frankly nobody's business but their own). You have taken it to the same gutter level as the parliamentary numpties we are supposed to be discussing.
Please can we get back to the topic in hand?

You're breaking SBT convention with this sort of stunt actually

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