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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,361
Grendel said:
The fascinating thing is Labour left wing members and politicians are far more invested in this conflict than any other on the planet and we all know why
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Are they? Saudi Arabia gets just as much criticism for the crimes in Yemen. Why is it not Islamophobic to criticise them?
 

TomRad85

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,362
Brighton Sky Blue said:
This is like the Sky headline ‘Labour denies it is like the Nazis’
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Nothing like the Nazis tbh. The Nazis had support

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Grendel

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,363
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Are they? Saudi Arabia gets just as much criticism for the crimes in Yemen. Why is it not Islamophobic to criticise them?
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from Zara Sultana?
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,364
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Rightly or wrongly, it is not all on the people living in squalor on a narrow strip of desert compared to a state with the backing of the most powerful country on the planet. And a state that threatened New Zealand with war for daring to criticise the West Bank settlements.

Both peoples have a right to recognition
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Here what you say, but there are right and wrong ways of going about things.
 

Ian1779

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,365
Grendel said:
The fascinating thing is Labour left wing members and politicians are far more invested in this conflict than any other on the planet and we all know why
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You evidently don’t.
 

Grendel

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,366
Ian1779 said:
You evidently don’t.
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oh I do
 

Ian1779

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,367
Sky Blue Pete said:
Thought the police stormed the mosque
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They did - during prayers for Ramadan.
 

TomRad85

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,368
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Are they? Saudi Arabia gets just as much criticism for the crimes in Yemen. Why is it not Islamophobic to criticise them?
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Literally none of the lefty activists on my feed go marching around London criticising Saudi Arabia. Get the Jews involved and they can't get on the streets quick enough.

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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,369
dubed said:
Here what you say, but there are right and wrong ways of going about things.
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They’re living in a shithole with the Israelis blockading them and periodically killing civilians while illegally building in the West Bank. I want the violence on both sides to stop but for it to also be permitted to criticise Israel without being called anti Semitic
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,370
TomRad85 said:
Literally none of the lefty activists on my feed go marching around London criticising Saudi Arabia. Get the Jews involved and they can't get on the streets quick enough.

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Well known righty Owen Jones led the anti-Saudi protests
 

Grendel

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,371
Brighton Sky Blue said:
They’re living in a shithole with the Israelis blockading them and periodically killing civilians while illegally building in the West Bank. I want the violence on both sides to stop but for it to also be permitted to criticise Israel without being called anti Semitic
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Why are Labour so invested? Does sultana criticise say North Korea or China as much as Israel?
 
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TomRad85

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,372
Grendel said:
Why are Labour so invested? Does sultana criticise say North Korea or China as much as Israel?
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I see Naz Shah and Jeremy Corbyn are doing an online event. Like clockwork.

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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,373
Grendel said:
Why are Labour so invested? Does sultana criticise say North Korea or China as much as Israel?
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Zarah Sultana is not the entire Labour Party, any more than the vile Kaczynski is the entire Tory Party. Why is it we never hear of Islamophobia being rife in a party where 40% of the members don’t want a brown leader?
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,374
wingy said:
I feel It all kinda suit's Netanyahu who once again can't form his own govt.
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There is a political thought that Hamas have seen this as an opportunity amid the cancellation of the parliamentary elections. To be clear, this is not denying the Israeli expansionist policy that has occurred, much of which has been promoted by US orthodox Jews. But did Hamas start the current exchange, they did

There are many victims and precious few heroes in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict | Borzou Daragahi

There is little chance for change unless the political will is shown by the international community
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Deleted member 4439

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  • May 16, 2021
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
They’re living in a shithole with the Israelis blockading them and periodically killing civilians while illegally building in the West Bank. I want the violence on both sides to stop but for it to also be permitted to criticise Israel without being called anti Semitic
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Agree regards the land grab, though the killings are usually retaliation. But neither do I want my MP to be raising the political profile of a terrorist organisation and then blaming Israeli for the bombings.

I confess I have sympathies for Irish republicanism, but I didn't agree with the inland bombings.

Likewise, I haven't forgiven whoever it was on the Palestinian side for having caused me to break three bottles of really good wine when I ran to a shelter back in 85 when shopping in Masada.
 
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Ian1779

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,376
dubed said:
Totally agree. But neither do I want my MP to be raising the political profile of a terrorist organisation and then blaming Israeli for the bombings.

I confess I have sympathies for Irish republicans, but I didn't agree with the inland bombings.
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So you think a resolution and peace is necessary (which we all do) but there is no desire in the UK and US administrations to push for this. Why would that be the case??
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,377
dubed said:
Totally agree. But neither do I want my MP to be raising the political profile of a terrorist organisation and then blaming Israeli for the bombings.

I confess I have sympathies for Irish republicans, but I didn't agree with the inland bombings.
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Well she isn’t my MP but it levels out the great work she did challenging school reopening earlier in the year. It must be a 2 state solution where Israel respectfully withdraw the illegal settlers and Hamas are de-militarised while recognising Israel’s right to exist.

Picking a side helps nobody
 
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wingy

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,378
I remember year's ago now reject the plo hold election's and we will have dialogue then .
Hamas were duly elected,what happened with that?
I remember Israel taking out elected or member's on foreign soil,same for scientists.
Hit Jobs just like the Scripal affair only with bullet's.
Who has the answers,it isn't only one side.
It's impossible.
 

shmmeee

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,379
Grendel said:
Why are Labour so invested? Does sultana criticise say North Korea or China as much as Israel?
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Yes
 
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skybluetony176

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,380
Brighton Sky Blue said:
They’re living in a shithole with the Israelis blockading them and periodically killing civilians while illegally building in the West Bank. I want the violence on both sides to stop but for it to also be permitted to criticise Israel without being called anti Semitic
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I’ve been to the West Bank and it’s shocking. It’s a ghetto, in the truest sense of the word. Locked in the West Bank, allowed to go in and out for work. I was on a tour ran by Israelies and they used it as a propaganda exercise. Justifying illegal settlements on the bases of they build nicer homes than the Palestinians. It was mental, like you were supposed to go yeah fuck em the scruffy cunts. God knows what the Gaza Strip must be like, it’s one of the most densely populated places in the world.
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,381
Ian1779 said:
So you think a resolution and peace is necessary (which we all do) but there is no desire in the UK and US administrations to push for this. Why would that be the case??
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Things probably haven't changed since the war, in terms of Britain sitting at the knees of the US and enjoying a 'special relationship'. The British looked for a land for dispossessed Jews from the war, but limited in number and with a tightly restricted land covenant. The US had a very strong Jewish political lobby, and railroaded Britain into massively increasing the numbers and the legitimization of a Jewish state. It was less the Jewish terrorism against Britain's forces that forced Britain's hand, much more the need for cold hard cash to rebuild after the war.

Britain is no longer part of the answer - it's down to the US and the Arab states.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,382
skybluetony176 said:
Haven’t Labour led the calls to sus


I’ve been to the West Bank and it’s shocking. It’s a ghetto, in the truest sense of the word. Locked in the West Bank, allowed to go in and out for work. I was on a tour ran by Israelies and they used it as a propaganda exercise. Justifying illegal settlements on the bases of they build nicer homes than the Palestinians. It was mental, like you were supposed to go yeah fuck em the scruffy cunts. God knows what the Gaza Strip must be like, it’s one of the most densely populated places in the world.
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Close friend of mine went to build houses with a charity there. Israel bulldozed then for settlements
 

skybluetony176

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,383
wingy said:
I remember year's ago now reject the plo hold election's and we will have dialogue then .
Hamas were duly elected,what happened with that?
I remember Israel taking out elected or member's on foreign soil,same for scientists.
Hit Jobs just like the Scripal affair only with bullet's.
Who has the answers,it isn't only one side.
It's impossible.
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I think Rabin was the last Israeli PM to have a real go at finding a solution including the Oslo accord. Cost him his life. Such a shame because it brought real hope to the region for a brief period of time.
 
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Ian1779

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,384
dubed said:
Britain is no longer part of the answer - it's down to the US and the Arab states.
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I agree - it should stop selling arms to Israel immediately.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,385
Sky Blue Pete said:
Close friend of mine went to build houses with a charity there. Israel bulldozed then for settlements
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Sounds about right.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,386
skybluetony176 said:
I’ve been to the West Bank and it’s shocking. It’s a ghetto, in the truest sense of the word. Locked in the West Bank, allowed to go in and out for work. I was on a tour ran by Israelies and they used it as a propaganda exercise. Justifying illegal settlements on the bases of they build nicer homes than the Palestinians. It was mental, like you were supposed to go yeah fuck em the scruffy cunts. God knows what the Gaza Strip must be like, it’s one of the most densely populated places in the world.
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Never been to that part of the world but as long as Israel is in the grip of Netanyahu it won't change
 

Grendel

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,387
Ian1779 said:
I agree - it should stop selling arms to Israel immediately.
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Who should the U.K. sell arms to?
 

Ian1779

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,388
Grendel said:
Who should the U.K. sell arms to?
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Themselves is fine.
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • May 16, 2021
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Never been to that part of the world but as long as Israel is in the grip of Netanyahu it won't change
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I fear the damage has been done, and there's no going back.
 

skybluetony176

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,390
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Never been to that part of the world but as long as Israel is in the grip of Netanyahu it won't change
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He’s 100% part of the problem not the cure.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 16, 2021
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dubed said:
I fear the damage has been done, and there's no going back.
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There is an idealistic part of me that thinks something could yet be achieved
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • May 16, 2021
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Grendel said:
Who should the U.K. sell arms to?
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Not to sections of the labour party, hopefully.
 
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Grendel

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,393
Ian1779 said:
Themselves is fine.
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So countries shouldn’t sell arms to other countries?
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,394
Sky Blue Pete said:
Close friend of mine went to build houses with a charity there. Israel bulldozed then for settlements
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Yep, it's shocking. As I've always understood it, it's a movement heavily influenced and led by US orthodox Jews, and which does not draw sympathy from a significant part of the Israeli community.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,395
Grendel said:
So countries shouldn’t sell arms to other countries?
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Do you think we should keep selling them to the Saudis when we know what they're used for?
 
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