Grendel
Well-Known Member
The hard left has always had an issue with jews - livingstone felt the wrath of the jewish commumity in his GLC days. To claim he is not anti semite would be absurd and corbyn is a prodigee of livingstone
No but that’s what you are implying with the Corbyn reference.
We already know the right don’t give a fuck about human life... it’s a commodity for profit. So who else will speak up if not the left?
There is a bigger question here. Shouldn’t a political party that wants to represent a multicultural place like the UK that is home to Jews, Muslims, Israelis and Palestinians be seeking to find a solution to peace?
The use of force in this conflict is hugely disproportionate yet the ‘calling out’ of the conflict is at best equal, and in reality biased in protection of the side causing the vast majority of the deaths and destruction.
She already did, sounds like she's not overly keen on white people.All she needs now is to add some general racism to her portfolio and she’ll be qualified to run the Tory party.
The solution being blame everything on the Jews? Brilliant.
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The hard left has always had an issue with jews - livingstone felt the wrath of the jewish commumity in his GLC days. To claim he is not anti semite would be absurd and corbyn is a prodigee of livingstone
That’s a fucking stretch to get that out of my post.... love to see your working out there.The solution being blame everything on the Jews? Brilliant.
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So he’s conflating the actions of what are probably British born people with the ‘primitives’ from the Middle East.....mmmm lets single out a jewish mp
Fabricant - worst barnet in politics?WhY aRe LaBoUr Mp’S sO rAcIsT??
So he’s conflating the actions of what are probably British born people with the ‘primitives’ from the Middle East.....
Keep digging.
It’s a fake.
The person sent to prison for giving Berger AS abuse was a white supremacist, Neo Nazi fuckhead.I assume you think Luciana Berger made uo her claims of anti semitism?
its you and your party thats digging
This whole discussion was started when Evo showed a video you dismissed with no
knowledge as fake. It seems to now be on the national news...
Well one of us is wrong. If it’s me I’ll happily put my hands up. If it turns out it is fake, will Starmer, Patel and everyone else that has something to say apologise for pedalling inaccuracies?Starmer believes its genuine?
G certainly wontWell one of us is wrong. If it’s me I’ll happily put my hands up. If it turns out it is fake, will Starmer, Patel and everyone else that has something to say apologise for pedalling inaccuracies?
Well one of us is wrong. If it’s me I’ll happily put my hands up. If it turns out it is fake, will Starmer, Patel and everyone else that has something to say apologise for pedalling inaccuracies?
The claim was that it was a stock video with an audio recorded over the top. If it’s not fake then the people involved need to be charged with inciting hatred.How could it be fake?
Even if the voice over is fake, why do you suppose they were driving around a Jewish part of London?Well one of us is wrong. If it’s me I’ll happily put my hands up. If it turns out it is fake, will Starmer, Patel and everyone else that has something to say apologise for pedalling inaccuracies?
The person sent to prison for giving Berger AS abuse was a white supremacist, Neo Nazi fuckhead.
Man who harassed MP Luciana Berger online is jailed for two years
If there are Labour supporters (or supporters of any political party) guilty of giving her or others AS abuse then why have they not been charged and punished. I’d be all for that, as I’m sure you would too.
The claim was that it was a stock video with an audio recorded over the top. If it’s not fake then the people involved need to be charged with inciting hatred.
Where did I say she’s a liar??Just listen to yourself so shes a liar ok
Mr corbyn of course has been thrown out the party which i assume you support?
Luciana Berger accuses Jeremy Corbyn of anti-Semitism
Luciana Berger, who resigned from Labour after suffering anti-Semitic abuse, was asked whether she thinks Jeremy Corbyn is anti-Semitic.www.bbc.co.uk
Where did I say she’s a liar??
There is a simple way to get to the bottom of this. If he is anti-Semitic then he will have made AS comments, which are out there in the public domain, and then he can be charged with a hate crime.
Why won’t anyone take him to court on it if he’s so guilty?
More whataboutery from you.Havent you accused Boris Johnson of racism?
where was this claimed?
More whataboutery from you.
He hasn't tweeted about todays anti semitism , instead doubled down half hour ago about Palestine.Corbyn at Saturday's rally, with a nice back drop of a blow up caricature of a jew with devil horns.
Nice one mate.
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Yeah he did.Didn’t Boris Johnson write that Jews control the media and fix elections? Amongst other anti-Semitic stereotypes he wrote.
Was just telling my missus what happened today and my youngest just said with genuine worry ..."are we Jewish dad"
"No darling we are not"
So this is fact is it? Or just conjecture?Middle Eastern armed conflicts involving Israel inevitably produce outpourings of cliché and muddled thinking: talk of “cycles of violence”, calls for both sides to “exercise restraint” and for immediate ceasefires. Most convey no more than virtue-signalling moral equivalence.
Allegedly improper evictions of Arab tenants in East Jerusalem did not cause Hamas’s recent missile and drone attacks against Israel, nor did “longstanding historical grievances”, nor “frustration and alienation,” nor “the Arab street”. All these together cannot justify terrorism against innocent civilians, let alone the roughly 1,500 missiles launched into Israel from the Gaza Strip. Hamas, and now perhaps Hezbollah (missiles were recently fired from Lebanon) knew that their aggression would prompt vigorous Israeli retaliation.
More is at stake. Iran and its terrorist surrogates concluded that this was a propitious moment to go for Israel’s throat. Why, and why now?
Tehran desperately wants relief from the economic sanctions imposed by Washington after US withdrawal from the 2015 Iran nuclear deal. Chaos in Israel suits its purposes. Hamas, hoping to eclipse the Palestinian National Authority as the main Arab voice in Gaza and the West Bank, had its own reasons to follow Iran’s lead.
Israel is currently seized by unprecedented political gridlock. Even if Benjamin Netanyahu were rejected as prime minister, no potential successor could afford to be less hard-line on Iran than he. So while Israeli parties that appeal to Arab voters might have benefited in the near term by supporting a new Israeli government, the interests of Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah are better served by continued turmoil.
In fact, the hostilities may have ended deal-making on a possible new Israeli coalition. Significant violence between Arabs and Jews inside Israel itself could mean long-term instability, which only benefits terrorists and radicals across the Middle East. Breakthroughs like the Emirati and Bahraini diplomatic recognition of Israel are now highly unlikely for the foreseeable future – another win for Iran. And while Israel is preoccupied, Iran is likely planning more clandestine shipments of weapons and supplies to Lebanon, Syria and Iraq.
Viewing America’s return to the nuclear deal in near-theological terms, President Biden feels pressured by Iran’s impending June elections. Iran sees that he faces major domestic political problems caused by vehement opposition from Israel and Gulf Arabs to any lessening of US pressure on Tehran. Distracting Jerusalem reduces its ability to influence Washington in these nuclear negotiations.
Whether Iran instigated the current conflict, or merely aggravated it, we do not yet know, but the consequences are the same regardless. How should Israel and the wider West respond?
Negotiations are not the answer. Israel, justified by its right to self-defence, would be wiser to eliminate Hamas as a military force now, once and for all. It had a similar opportunity to destroy Hezbollah during the 2006 Lebanon War, which was indeed Israel’s declared objective. Failing to follow through, however, left Hezbollah the dominant force in Lebanon, and allowed Iran to expand its presence in Syria. Hezbollah is a greater threat today than 15 years ago. Israel should not ignore this lesson.
Moreover, what is the value of negotiated commitments from terrorists? In his fireside chat of December 29 1940, best known for describing America as “the arsenal of democracy”, President Franklin D Roosevelt said: “No man can tame a tiger into a kitten by stroking it. There can be no appeasement with ruthlessness. There can be no reasoning with an incendiary bomb.” Some things never change.
Negotiations with overzealous enemies only make sense when they are one-way. In the American Civil War, General Ulysses S Grant’s initials were said to stand for “unconditional surrender”, his trademark demand of defeated Confederate forces. And that was against fellow Americans. Israel can negotiate details of a Hamas surrender, but not whether there will in fact be one.
Iran and Hamas crossed a red line this time. Israel knows what it must do.
John Bolton is a former US national security adviser
So this is fact is it? Or just conjecture?
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