Cityandproud87
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Weird how she has to be reminded! She should know better.
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Brighton Sky Blue
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Being on land thousands of years ago doesn't give you the right to evict those who were there in the (then) present day. It isn't really the fault of the Palestinians that they were there at an inconvenient time.
Grendel
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No - mr Livingstone was frequently making such noises - her comments are on record and are not defendable
shmmeee
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I have ties to my nans old house, doesn’t mean I can rock up and kick out the current owners.
skybluetony176
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The Romans invaded Palestine about 100 years before Jesus was even born so that’s not even remotely true.
You’re right in that Jewish people have always been there but they lived side by side with Muslims and the whole place was called Palestine. Israel as a state didn’t exist until after the Second World War. Zionism itself is a relatively new idea in the Jewish faith and actually many many Jews are anti Zionist and see the creation of Israel as a direct challenge to god and therefore blasphemy.
Evo1883
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The Jews are the current owners now
Brighton Sky Blue
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As said before conflating Israel with Jews breaks one of the anti-Semitism guidelines
Evo1883
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Roughly 47% of the world's Jewish population are in Israel .
shmmeee
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Awkward for the Tories here, only group that beats religious Muslims for AS is very right wing people 
Israelis, not Jews. Conflating the two is antisemitic. And if I rock up with a big gun I’ll be the current owner of my nans old house, doesn’t make it right.
Israelis, not Jews. Conflating the two is antisemitic. And if I rock up with a big gun I’ll be the current owner of my nans old house, doesn’t make it right.
David O'Day
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Aye that is against the IHRA guidelines.
It is textbook AS to equate the actions of the state of Israel with being Jewish
Also the amount of people who didn't give a rats about AS 3 years ago that seem to have done a 180 is mad.
shmmeee
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Racism isn’t about equality any more, just beating your political opponents over their head.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Read the IHRA guidelines and get back to me
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Evo1883
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What did they do? Buy up much of the land?
Was every Palestinian removed ?
Most of Palestine was Arab owned because the ottomans banned Jewish people from buying land at all in the first place
shmmeee
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He’s also wrong it’s 30%, the majority live in the US:Jewish population by country - Wikipedia
By this logic anyone criticising the US is antisemitic.
David O'Day
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Yep and it is pretty sick in the head.
Evo1883
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David O'Day
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Us Celts are kicking all the Anglo-Saxons etc out of our country. Just don't tell the beaker people.
shmmeee
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“What did they do?”
Legality of Israeli settlements - Wikipedia
Take it up with the UN.
shmmeee
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You’re looking at core population, not all eligible Jewish people.
Brighton Sky Blue
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You still aren’t getting it are you? The anti-Semitism guidelines are pretty clear
Evo1883
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“What did they do?”
Legality of Israeli settlements - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
Take it up with the UN.
So we are arguing Israeli borders , not arguing about how people purchased the land in the first place.
Like you said it's Israel now and has been for upto 80 years... the old tenants can't rock up and expect to take it back .
Sorry but you said that yourself
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Evo1883
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I'm not on about anti semitism I was on about population in response to his population link
I understand Israel isn't completely Jewish
David O'Day
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What about the forced Settlements that are still removing people from land outside of Israel?
Brighton Sky Blue
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Conflating the two is a breach of AS guidelines aaargh so frustrating
Brighton Sky Blue
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Incredible, so if I kick someone out of their house by armed force and put up guards to stop them getting back in they just have to accept it?
Evo1883
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What's frustrating ? We were trying to pinpoint what % of the world's Jewish population lived in Israel
Brighton Sky Blue
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No it’s that you’ve conflated Israel with Jews
Evo1883
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That's what happened to the Jewish people before wasn't it BEFORE today's goings on ?
That's what happened to the Jewish people in ottaman ruled Palestine territory upto the end of their rule ?
So using the logic that was given to me , its Israeli land now
Evo1883
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What? In the one post yes , but you picked up on it further after I then corrected myself .
Me and shmmeee were talking demographic
Again , I understand Israel isn't Jewish, they are however the largest demographic ...I think that's put to bed now
shmmeee
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Do I think Israel should’ve been created where it is? No, it was classic colonialism gone mad.
Now it’s there so I think Israel should be expanding illegally into other areas? No, I do not.
Do I find the total slavish adherence to the Israeli government line fucking weird and freaky and the ridiculous hyperbole around any criticism of it suspect? Yes, yes I do.
I believe in a two state solution because as you said we’ve done it now and it can’t be undone. I think anyone killing kids is scum.
Evo1883
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I can't see how a resolution will ever be reached , I generally agree with you .
Israel will always retaliate to hamas , and sadly innocent people will die .
The surrounding Arab nations will also never accept Israel and its right to exist ..
Israel will also always double down against media backlash which seems to favour hamas bizarrely
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God, the addiction is hard to break...
I knew somebody from Gaza once. They were one of the more well-off Palestinians, family owned a business and could afford to send him to the UK. He was happy to be friends with people from, wherever really, wasn't particularly politically engaged. However in the background, his family had lost a lot of thir land and property during Israeli occupation.
And then once didn't come back once for months - Israel wouldn't let people out and then shelled where he lived, repeatedly. His family lost everything.
He despised Israel for what they did - he voted Hamas or whatever their political wing is, as what he saw was his land oppressed and colonised by an aggressor, when all his family wanted to do was work a living.
There are many sides to this story.
skybluetony176
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Okay 70 years before the birth of Jesus. Bit hard for them to “come and force Christianity on them” when Christianity wasn’t even a thing (clue is in the title). Besides it was centuries after Jesus died before the Romans even adopted Christianity as a faith.