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Ian1779

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dubed said:
Eh? It's a political insight/view. Certainly, it's pretty much an accepted fact that Iran is arming Hamas with low flying missiles now capable of reaching TA. Again to be clear, this isn't about the rights and wrongs of land ownership and occupation, but about the proxies involved in all wars.
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Whereas we are arming Israel, but getting cash in the process. The language here and in all this analysis and reporting is so deliberate. Iran is arming them... therefore culpable. UK/US arming Israel... zero culpability. Maybe there would be some way to resolve this conflict, by simply reporting actual facts.
 
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Ian1779 said:
Whereas we are arming Israel, but getting cash in the process. The language here and in all this analysis and reporting is so deliberate. Iran is arming them... therefore culpable. UK/US arming Israel... zero culpability. Maybe there would be some way to resolve this conflict, by simply reporting actual facts.
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I totally agree that it will be a perspective being used in support of a particular position, and I have to say I didn't much warm to certain tone in that piece (simply offered it up as a perspective).. But I can tell you this, Hamas didn't knock up their new capability in a goat yard.
 
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Evo1883 said:
No mate , but good to see keir condemn today immediately
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Backbench MPs on both sides have expressed some pretty unfortunate views on a range of topics. Try not to judge the parties overall by either.

Just a fact to state that the origins of anti-Semitism lie in the far right. On the left it seems to be an idealistic effort to side with an 'underdog', more extreme types will go full circle to the far right.
 
Evo1883

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Ccfcisparks said:
Genuine question now, Is it possible to be pro Palestine but not anti semetic. Not having a dig just genuinely curious
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What do you mean by pro Palestine? What do you want to happen to Israel? What do you think Palestinians should have ?

Palestine and Israel are not the same , Jews have ties to that land as far back as 3700 years
 
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Ian1779 said:
It should be. You should be able to make legitimate criticisms of the Israeli government and their behaviour without you being accused of being an anti-semite.
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And against Zionism. I believe, even though the IHRA definition equates Zionism with anti-semitism.
 
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Evo1883 said:
What do you mean by pro Palestine? What do you want to happen to Israel? What do you think Palestinians should have ?

Palestine and Israel are not the same , Jews have ties to that land as far back as 3700 years
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It would be difficult to go back to 45 when land was taken off the Palestinians, let alone go back 3700 years. Compromises required, not the rights of one people.
 
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dubed said:
It would be difficult to go back to 45 when land was taken off the Palestinians, let alone go back 3700 years. Compromises required, not the rights of one people.
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Do you believe there can ever be a peaceful solution ? Arab countries surrounding Israel want its destruction...they beat them all in 6 days in war , they are always going to be a target
 
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It seems there is some debate about that inflatable. It looks like an Arab sheikh stereotype to me.
"At the Hyde Park march, a giant inflatable puppet dressed like an Arab with horns and a hooked nose led to some confusion. Some interpreted it as an antisemitic reference to Jews, but others concluded it was a caricature of Sheikh Mohamed bin Zayed Al Nahyan, the crown prince of Abu Dhabi, capital of the United Arab Emirates, one of several Arab nations to establish diplomatic relations with Israel last year."
Source - Jewish Telegraphic Agency
 
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oakey said:
It seems there is some debate about that inflatable. It looks like an Arab sheikh stereotype to me.
"At the Hyde Park march, a giant inflatable puppet dressed like an Arab with horns and a hooked nose led to some confusion. Some interpreted it as an antisemitic reference to Jews, but others concluded it was a caricature of Sheikh Mohamed bin Zayed Al Nahyan, the crown prince of Abu Dhabi, capital of the United Arab Emirates, one of several Arab nations to establish diplomatic relations with Israel last year."
Source - Jewish Telegraphic Agency
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Interesting, sounds plausible.
 
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Evo1883 said:
Do you believe there can ever be a peaceful solution ? Arab countries surrounding Israel want its destruction...they beat them all in 6 days in war , they are always going to be a target
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I think that's the case, yes, it's an unsolvable situation due to irreconcilable belief systems. It's often said that religious war is a proxy war for land and resources, but I think it's simpler than that at the heart of things, the Abrahamic religions, who seem destined to end this Earth of ours.
 
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dubed said:
Interesting, sounds plausible.
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Got to be honest appeared Arabic to me .
Was the same with the mural Corbyn liked or retweeted , there didn't appear anything obvious making those banker's Jewish.
Just looked like a bunch of banker's to me when I saw .
Can't remember if he should have known for some reason, like it had up for some time and may have caused controversy earlier?
 
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Evo1883 said:
What do you mean by pro Palestine? What do you want to happen to Israel? What do you think Palestinians should have ?

Palestine and Israel are not the same , Jews have ties to that land as far back as 3700 years
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This has been done to death, most here support a 2 state solutions which sees both Palestine and Israel internationally recognised and sovereign.
 
Evo1883

Evo1883

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
This has been done to death, most here support a 2 state solutions which sees both Palestine and Israel internationally recognised and sovereign.
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I get that mate , I just don't think some people realise that infact the Jewish people were basically there first until the Romans came and forced Christianity on the region.
People just automatically assume they've been there since the 40s and that's it

I get that vibe from much of social media
 
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