Sick Boy
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Starmer is pathetic.
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Starmer is pathetic.
JAM See
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The candidate representing the party he leads will be getting my vote.
What else can I do whilst the tories are in power?
The debate about Starmer and the direction of the Labour party needs to begin when he's in No. 10. Not before.
That ship has sailed.
David O'Day
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The amount of traps Starmer would walk into if he did what some folk on here wanted him to do 
shmmeee
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Exactly this. You’ll have far more sway over and Labour govt than any Tory. Still some people want a badge they can wear to show their principles rather than the ability to change lives.
It's almost as if he wants to win an election.
And of course at no point does he say we won't repeal the laws.
Here's some other headlines about the same story:
Labour vows to make it easier for unions to strike as walk outs already set to cripple UK
But of course if they don't say exactly what the left need to hear then they're as bad as the Tories and we may as well just carry on letting them fuck the country over, in fact it probably be even worse under Keith
And of course at no point does he say we won't repeal the laws.
Here's some other headlines about the same story:
Labour vows to make it easier for unions to strike as walk outs already set to cripple UK
Labour promises to battle anti-strike legislation “every step of the way”
Labour's Rachel Reeves says party will OPPOSE Rishi Sunak's attempts to bring in tough new anti-strike laws
But of course if they don't say exactly what the left need to hear then they're as bad as the Tories and we may as well just carry on letting them fuck the country over, in fact it probably be even worse under Keith
clint van damme
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It's almost as if he wants to win an election.
And of course at no point does he say we won't repeal the laws.
Here's some other headlines about the same story:
Labour vows to make it easier for unions to strike as walk outs already set to cripple UK
Labour promises to battle anti-strike legislation “every step of the way”
Labour's Rachel Reeves says party will OPPOSE Rishi Sunak's attempts to bring in tough new anti-strike laws
But of course if they don't say exactly what the left need to hear then they're as bad as the Tories and we may as well just carry on letting them fuck the country over, in fact it probably be even worse under Keith
'The left'?
Well certain elements of the left. Not allowed to say the C word though or I'll be called obsessed
clint van damme
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fernandopartridge
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David O'Day
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fernandopartridge
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He's busy knocking one out over Supertanskii at the minute
Ian1779
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Who could forget about that honest leftie.
Currently grifting it up on social media selling ‘membership’
Brighton Sky Blue
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The amount of traps Starmer would walk into if he did what some folk on here wanted him to do
In 13 years, Blair and Brown repealed not one anti union law that they inherited from Thatcher and Major. Since 2010, there was fresh legislation further curbing our rights which came in in 2016, and more is on the way before the next election.It's almost as if he wants to win an election.
And of course at no point does he say we won't repeal the laws.
Here's some other headlines about the same story:
Labour vows to make it easier for unions to strike as walk outs already set to cripple UK
Labour promises to battle anti-strike legislation “every step of the way”
Labour's Rachel Reeves says party will OPPOSE Rishi Sunak's attempts to bring in tough new anti-strike laws
But of course if they don't say exactly what the left need to hear then they're as bad as the Tories and we may as well just carry on letting them fuck the country over, in fact it probably be even worse under Keith
If neither Blair nor Brown could be bothered, and ignored pressure from their own ‘side’ to do so, what reason is there to think that Starmer will overhaul an even bigger set of anti union laws, with a smaller majority? These laws don’t just cover strikes, which are important, they also cover collective bargaining rights for workers, how leadership ballots have to be conducted etc. Allowing these to remain in place is inexcusable.
But as usual we get the line that they are employing genius level tactics to avoid the ‘trap’ of supporting working people in place of those who already hold all the cards. He leads the Labour Party-time to act like it.
JAM See
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Who else are we going to vote for?
JAM See
Well-Known Member
Anyway, a Labour government is coming....
...We can discuss it properly then.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Sigh. I’ve already said I’ll pinch my nose and vote Labour because we just have to be rid of the current lot.
But Blair and Brown had huge majorities and repealed none of the anti union legislation. This is why I am more than a bit sceptical that Starmer will be any different and his only criticism has been that the proposed laws won’t stop the current strikes.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Another really bad idea
UK banking rules in biggest shake-up in more than 30 years
Rules introduced after the financial crisis in 2008 that were aimed at limiting risks will be eased.
www.bbc.co.uk
Marty
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Anybody else coming to the realisation that going 'green' is a complete waste of time and money, a lifetime/fortune spent on solar panels and insulation is completely blown out of the water by a few hours private jet journey by the mega rich.
Oxford council going full totalitarian regarding the use of vehicles and leaving their 'zones' is shining some light on their(the elites) intentions for us. (Almost cracking out the tin foil here).
Oxford council going full totalitarian regarding the use of vehicles and leaving their 'zones' is shining some light on their(the elites) intentions for us. (Almost cracking out the tin foil here).
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I guess the point is we all decrease things to a certain extent - none of us will instantly end up at zero, there'll always be anomolies, but everybody can decrease to a certain extent.
Oxford is... interesting innit. They seem to even be banning electric cars after all in their zones. At least they're holding off implementing it until Mrs Wisdom's parking permit expires!
shmmeee
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Its just tech advancement really. Solar panels according to a few I know who have them pay for themselves. I quite like clean air and cheaper energy TBH. One day we’ll crack fusion which is the ultimate “green” tech but just means almost unlimited energy.
The fact we get around by exploding fuel in the 21st century is mad.
Not sure what “elites” have to do with it. Most of them are anti green tech anyway as they have large stakes in fossil fuel companies. I’m going to go out on a limb and guess you’ve picked this up from billionaire funded new channels/social media personalities.
Marty
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I think I'm becoming disillusioned by the whole green agenda, I understand why and the reasons for it, just seem futile for the mass populous to struggle while the few are burning my lifetimes usage of energy going for lunch.
shmmeee
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We should definitely be restricting the top 1%. But most of it is stuff like changing fleets, changing energy production, improving building standards more than restricting normal individuals. That’s very much old school green thinking.
fernandopartridge
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I think insulation and solar is good solely for reducing your dependency on buying energy, I'm not really that bothered about the green credentials of it
D
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That is an understatement. This is a Government that resolutely refuses to learn from the mistakes of the past.Another really bad idea
UK banking rules in biggest shake-up in more than 30 years
Rules introduced after the financial crisis in 2008 that were aimed at limiting risks will be eased.www.bbc.co.uk
Another Brexit benefit of course. A raft of de-regulation and decline in employment benefits are coming all thanks to that appalling mistake.
skybluetony176
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I don’t think it’s a waste of time but you’re right to raise private aircraft. I was reading something a while ago that suggested that all the private aircraft in the world create more carbon than all commercial aircraft every year. Granted a lot of that is going to be pleasure flying in two seater aircraft and personally I don’t take issue with that as most of them are owned in consortiums so it’s not one individual responsible for that. I do think however there should be a worldwide green tax on private aircraft landing based on duration of flight, efficiency of the aircraft and the number of passengers on board. If you’re the lone person on a private jet that’s just crossed the Atlantic when you could have flown first class on numerous aircraft you should pay handsomely for that privilege.
skybluetony176
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They know they’re out at the next election so they’re making hay while the sun shines for their buddies regardless of the damage it can do. They’ve got the plebs to pick up the cost of that. Same as last time.Another really bad idea
UK banking rules in biggest shake-up in more than 30 years
Rules introduced after the financial crisis in 2008 that were aimed at limiting risks will be eased.www.bbc.co.uk
clint van damme
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Let's see if Labour reverse it.
D
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Absolutely. They expect to be out by the time it all goes wrong. As with Bexit it's great if you are very rich but disastrous for most people. But getting rid of red tape always appeals to the uninformed. They just don't understand what they are losing.
shmmeee
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Side point: my issue with regulation is that in my experience most of private industry basically ignores large parts of it unless they’re a huge company but every public body follows it to the letter.
When people talk about private industry outperforming public sector generally its down to poor pay, poor conditions, and a lax adherence to regulations.