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clint van damme
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Suddenly they're worried about the economy losing billions, clowns.
They also seem to omit to mention, his members vote to reject the last deal offered.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Well case in point if I get a PhD in a science, most post doctoral positions pay low £30k. People like Kieran get £60k for working on an IT desk.
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They also fail to mention all those Tory MPs who voted for Truss' mini budget which had a far more damaging impact on the economy. If like me you have a Tory MP in your constituency, it's going to be fun to ask them at the next election why they voted for the mini budget.
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I was really surprised that he didn't earn more.
Brighton Sky Blue
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His union is pretty small in the grand scheme of things. NEU has over 500,000 members and their general secretaries get something like 200k
shmmeee
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I remember when I was looking at a Machine Learning PhD because I wanted to work at Apple or Amazon on voice assistants or on self driving cars and all the ads wanted a PhD. I was looking at sub £30k at best. It’s pathetic. Especially in an industry where six figures isn’t unusual.
Still want a doctorate but it would be just for personal enjoyment rather than career progression. Research pays fuck all and contributes so much to the economy.
shmmeee
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Funny how the other year it was that guy on QT earning £80k and saying that was average and now £84k is unconscionable
)Brighton Sky Blue
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In the chemical industry even with a doctorate it tends to level out at £45-50k which considering the skill and work required is an insulting figure. But it reflects what our society considers important.
It’s still less than what an MP collects for doing sod all
skybluetony176
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I’d think that he’d take it as confirmation that he’s doing a good job.
Sky Blue Pete
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I think they were advised to reject it though. Didn’t 35-40% vote to accept it still ?
Shmmeee is right, Lynch won’t give a shit about the Sun but he wasn’t himself yesterday. When he was talking about rebalancing of society (which is obviously a noble cause) on bbc after being asked a genuine question about how much members are losing by striking, I thought but his job is supposed to be acting on behalf of his members. If I was a member who’d voted to accept the pay offer I wouldn’t be best pleased hearing stuff like that, especially after seeing that Unite accepted the offer (I presume that’s the same offer, don’t know for sure)
Christmas striking might well be the best way to kick employers/government in the bollocks but I’m not convinced it’s the best way to get/keep the public on side so I’m not surprised if he’s feeling the pressure. We’ll see though
Bit of semi good news on top of the fusion stuff. Inflation finally appears to be coming down. Might not appear great as still high but good news if it’s finally peaked. With oil around $75 per barrel and pound now around $1.23 hopefully the petrol stations might finally stop taking the piss (we can but dream!)
shmmeee
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This is a couple of weeks old now, but seemingly like everything in this country it’s an age based split. I suppose the only people that matter are his members though. The government seem to be using this as an opportunity to show how tough they are on strikes more than anything else.
Britons tend to oppose planned RMT rail strikes this winter | YouGov
They do, however, support rail workers refusing overtime over the festive period
yougov.co.uk
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Was on the radio yesterday that it could be the breaking of Sunak's government but given the mess they're in in the polls, it could actually be the making of them if the unions play it wrong.
fernandopartridge
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I hate the term "the unions" - it describes a separate entity rather than just the thousands of employees it represents
This is a couple of weeks old now, but seemingly like everything in this country it’s an age based split. I suppose the only people that matter are his members though. The government seem to be using this as an opportunity to show how tough they are on strikes more than anything else.
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Britons tend to oppose planned RMT rail strikes this winter | YouGov
They do, however, support rail workers refusing overtime over the festive period
The last thing the government wants is this shitshow at the moment.
fernandopartridge
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No, it's exactly what they want otherwise they'd settle the dispute
Doesn't mean prices will go down unfortunately so folk will be£4-5k down for a good while yet on top of the frozen tax thresholds over the coming 4-5years. So nothing to celebrate.
I just don’t see that myself. The RMT rejected latest offer which I didn’t think was unreasonable (nor did unite or 37% of RMT members). A 5 per cent base pay rise backdated to January and another 4 per cent rise next year. Basically a 9% pay rise as we’re three weeks away from 2023. It also promised there will be no compulsory redundancies before 2025 and included a £250 lump sum for those earning £24,000 or less and a 75 per cent travel discount for workers and their immediate family.
Doesn’t look like someone unwilling to try to settle the dispute. Agree that they don’t want to be seen to be rolling over though.
I wasn’t celebrating and said it was only semi good news. If oil stays around same level things should improve which I see as a positive
Removing the energy cap in April will be a far more inflationary jolt than settling these pay claims along with tomorrows interest hike all the while chipping away at growth /.GDP and the potential level of GDP will be an anomaly, masked by inflationary spend rather than activity.
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Still a pay cut overall then.
Skybluefaz
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If they aren't in dispute with the unions then they'd be even further under the spotlight about the cost of living and covid contracts.
fernandopartridge
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It is a 4% pay rise or a pay cut in real terms against an annual cpi rate of 10.7%, you don't add two years' worth together
clint van damme
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Our rail network has haemorrhaged money for years, we've spent billions of tax payers money bailing out failing franchises.
This money could have been used to give us a rail system that was fit for purpose and protecting workers pay and conditions.
Has anyone been to a country where the railways are worse than ours?
Mate of mine was in Morocco, not a country he had much good to say about but he said the railways which were his main mode of travel while there pissed all over the UK, Morocco FFS.
This money could have been used to give us a rail system that was fit for purpose and protecting workers pay and conditions.
Has anyone been to a country where the railways are worse than ours?
Mate of mine was in Morocco, not a country he had much good to say about but he said the railways which were his main mode of travel while there pissed all over the UK, Morocco FFS.
fernandopartridge
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At the end of the day the public should see railways as a necessary public service that runs at cost to the public purse as it is in virtually every other developed country in the world
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They are also crucial to reducing emissions and getting people out of using cars. Remember when the Government claimed to care about climate change at the Glasgow COP conference? It's almost like they didn't mean it.
clint van damme
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Haha! How many times?!
2022 is backdated to the start of the year though when inflation wasn’t 11% and they’ve said 2023 is 4% (which is in three weeks). I’ve assumed that’s from Jan but might be wrong. If so that is, it’s pretty much an immediate 9% rise.
The issue will be if inflations high next year then as the year goes on they’ll be disadvantaged. The thought is it should significantly decrease but who knows
Yes on base inflation numbers but if you take governments initial energy assistance/pay outs into consideration (which was excluded from inflation figures) it’s in the ballpark.
I personally would be offering a higher one off bonus to those on or around 24k
skybluetony176
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It’s 4% for this year back dated to January 2022 and then another 4% from 01/01/2023. There’s no 9% pay increase. They’ve offered a 4% pay increase for the year they’ve just had and another 4% going forward next year. You don’t accumulate your annual pay rises, it’s 4%.
Scottish rail workers got 5% for this year backdated, I would assume that will be the RMT’s target for English rail workers on the issue of pay, as it would be their members. Why anyone thinks that either the RMT is going to say English workers are worth less than Scottish workers or English workers will accept they’re worth less than Scottish workers I don’t know.