Grendel
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Its petty and mean spirited
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Its petty and mean spirited
Sky Blue Pete
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I’ll have a think and get back to you
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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It's not just that one seat, it's how the whole nonsense could affect people's voting intentions elsewhere.
As I've said if there are people outside of the constituency that would use Corbyn staying (or going) as a reason for not voting Labour then on the whole I'd say they'll be looking for a reason to do so regardless. But that doesn't mean there aren't people that won't.
fernandopartridge
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chiefdave
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What's a bigger story on election night? A Labour candidate Corbyn, now like an old man yells out cloud meme, winning a seat he's held since 1983 or an independent Corbyn beating the Labour?
Why on earth Starmer would want attention on Corbyn and the possibility of losing a single seat on the night he wins the election is beyond me
shmmeee
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Blair and Thatcher didn’t run in 2017
If Labour win a big majority as expected, then Corbyn winning a seat as independent would be a pretty insignificant story in the scheme of things.
You'd have Momentum making a big deal of it. I think everyone else would shrug their shoulders.
shmmeee
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Corbyn lost in 2017
Brighton Sky Blue
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Equally Corbyn winning a seat as a Labour candidate would also be insignificant. If he goes as an independent his vote count will get more publicity, if he wins it's a bloody nose for Starmer that he never needed to take a chance on.
The only person keeping Corbyn in the media spotlight is ironically Starmer himself.
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All Corbyn had to do was say that yep, they ballsed up in not being stronger and more decisive on antisemitism and it wouldn't be an issue now. The same as all he had to do was say yep, IRA were bastards, but his equivocation is not a good look is it. Even his allies acknowledge his words after the enquiry were poor.
And that's why he's a draining presence, which is a shame as he appears to be a decent MP.
Ian1779
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No one won I think you’ll find
JAM See
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Strong man posturing is the gambit from Starmer.
It's an easy win for any Labour doorknocker to answer the 'But Corbyn' brigade.
Any Tory knocks my door, I'll just say 'But Partygate, but Owen Paterson, but giving your wifebeating dad a fucking knighthood'.
The Tories need to purge a previous leader, I suspect Labour feel the same way.
I don't necessarily agree with Starmer, but I can see why he's going down that road.
It's an easy win for any Labour doorknocker to answer the 'But Corbyn' brigade.
Any Tory knocks my door, I'll just say 'But Partygate, but Owen Paterson, but giving your wifebeating dad a fucking knighthood'.
The Tories need to purge a previous leader, I suspect Labour feel the same way.
I don't necessarily agree with Starmer, but I can see why he's going down that road.
shmmeee
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No one won I think you’ll find
And who was in No ones cabinet?
Brighton Sky Blue
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So imagine losing to him in the election.
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Meh.
But of an irrelevance. Dave Nellist v Jim Cunningham was a sideshow that nearly let the Tories, but it allowed Labour to show they were caring sharing lefties and not brutal shouty scary agitating lefties.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Dave Nellist hadn't led the party in the 2 previous elections.
Ian1779
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Getting strong ‘what colour is your Bugatti’ vibes here.
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Nor has he been engulfed in an anti semitism row, been seen as sympathetic to the IRA, and generally looked a bit tawdry and peevish of late so yeah you're right, more important to make the break than it was with Nellist.
Ian1779
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It’s a bit of a nonsense though isn’t it…
Corbyn is somehow the most inept leader Labour have ever produced whilst simultaneously being an absolute danger to Starmer’s chance of taking power by pottering around and speaking up for refugees and making jam.
JAM See
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I'll nail my colours to the mast and say I'm team Nellist/Corbyn/St. Tony Benn/Gordon Brown over the less progressive side of the Labour party.
However, I'm still very much Nye Bevan. Get the current government out and then start the debate.
“That is why no amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party that inflicted those bitter experiences on me. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin”
Nye Bevan – Eve of NHS Creation – July 4th 1948
However, I'm still very much Nye Bevan. Get the current government out and then start the debate.
“That is why no amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party that inflicted those bitter experiences on me. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin”
Nye Bevan – Eve of NHS Creation – July 4th 1948
fernandopartridge
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He's a draining presence because his successor has utterly fuck all to say other than "I'm not Jeremy Corbyn" and his bunch of careerist mutant cabinet colleagues do not either. An utterly vacuous entity.
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He's a draining presence because of his own inability to just say that yeah, they fucked up. The qualities or otherwise of the current leader are totally irrelevant to that but as it happens, one thing Starmer has done is stamp down on antisemitism rather than leave it to fester by equivocation.
Ian1779
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Yet somehow in *doing* so he has expelled more Jewish members than any other leader, and created a situation where other forms of racism are deemed less important.
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And yet the perception is he's stamped out antisemitism, whereas the perception is Corbyn is all for it!
And when he has the opportunity to show different, he doesn't take it - it's almost like he wants to agitate.
In contrast John McDonnell can manage to defend his position, decry Corbyn being expelled, apologise for the hurt caused, and accept that Corbyn's words have been wrong. A complex position, sure, but at least showing the ability to reflect and correct. That's why he still takes the Labour whip.
fernandopartridge
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What has Starmer done? Come on NW you are better than this.
Martin Forde said last week he's heard nothing from Labour since he wrote his report. 165 recommendations.
Brighton Sky Blue
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And really for most of the time since he stood down as leader he’s been an irrelevance. The only attention he keeps getting seems to be because Starmer keeps going on about him.
So just let it lie
I don't know why you use the Forde report as a stick to beat Starmer with when it's utterly scathing of Corbyn.
Was there an agreement that Starmer would contact Forde afterwards? He's done the report, Starmer has the report, I don't think he has any obligation to contact Forde again, it's up to him to act on it.
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And he'll be an irrelevance on wherein night whether he wins, loses, or comes behind the raving loony.
But he won't be Labour's problem anymore.
Brighton Sky Blue
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He’s only a problem if Starmer keeps giving him undue attention. So why does he carry on doing it when there’s a rotten Tory government to focus on instead?
And you must have read the Corbyn edit
It's pretty scathing of everyone, but Corbyn as party leader takes the brunt of it.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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I must say, the last few pages have provided some top quality content. I even read some of it back again, and I barely ever do that on this thread.
Keep it up lads.
Keep it up lads.
fernandopartridge
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It'll not be that much, it'll be a tweet from a journalist based on a comment from a Labour source about what they thought