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[Ian1779]

Im no fan of the strikes but unless the schools budget has increased by several percent/near inflation this doesn’t appear workable and will obviously need additional central government funding. Not sure what they’re fucking about at

After they’ve destroyed the NHS they’ll go after the education system next. This is just the pre-amble and people are just meh about it.

 

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[fernandopartridge]

Didnt the Yanks leave because it was an affront to their sovereignty?

TBH with you despite its image to the contrary, America isn't really that keen on free trade if there is a beneficiary that isn't an american corporation. Its focus is always primarily competitive advantage for Murica.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

TBH with you despite its image to the contrary, America isn't really that keen on free trade if there is a beneficiary that isn't an american corporation. Its focus is always primarily competitive advantage for Murica.

It's what Thatcher's Tories always missed with their commitment to selling everything off. Both USA and Japan built their economic strength on a policy of protectionism really. Free market... but on their terms.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Corbyn seen as barrier for Labour at next election, new poll suggests

More than half of voters say former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn had become a barrier to Labour winning elections, a new poll by Omnisis shows.

www.omnisis.co.uk

Ask a question that implies something is a problem and then get respondents agreeing?

The poll suggests 41% of Labour voters think the party has treated him fairly.

The age breakdown of the people who think Corbyn is a barrier is yet another example of the completely brainwashed boomers - i'm surprised a man of the world like you agrees with those sorts of people.

 

[PVA]

Ask a question that implies something is a problem and then get respondents agreeing?

The poll suggests 41% of Labour voters think the party has treated him fairly.

The age breakdown of the people who think Corbyn is a barrier is yet another example of the completely brainwashed boomers - i'm surprised a man of the world like you agrees with those sorts of people.

You really don't get it do you.

I can't be fucked arguing about this again.

But I said something the other day about how people perceive Corbyn and how he affects the perception of Labour. You all disagreed and jumped on me.

Days later a poll comes out proving exactly what I said.

The end.

 

[Grendel]

You really don't get it do you.

I can't be fucked arguing about this again.

But I said something the other day about how people perceive Corbyn and how he affects the perception of Labour. You all disagreed and jumped on me.

Days later a poll comes out proving exactly what I said.

The end.

He gained a higher share of the vote than Blair

 

[clint van damme]

TBH with you despite its image to the contrary, America isn't really that keen on free trade if there is a beneficiary that isn't an american corporation. Its focus is always primarily competitive advantage for Murica.

They've got 12, I'm not sure what you call them, tenent's maybe, that guide how they negotiate a FTA, what you've described is one of them.

 

[Ian1779]

You really don't get it do you.

I can't be fucked arguing about this again.

But I said something the other day about how people perceive Corbyn and how he affects the perception of Labour. You all disagreed and jumped on me.

Days later a poll comes out proving exactly what I said.

The end.

We teach kids in Year 7 about leading statements or response options in questionnaires….

 

[David O'Day]

To be fair there were claims by Tarry about the voting integrity but no more news on that from came out, so maybe his protests were unsubstantiated.

they were nonsense, all that happened is the local party replaced tarry with the person they actually wanted originally

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

they were nonsense, all that happened is the local party replaced tarry with the person they actually wanted originally

So the local party gets its say to replace Tarry but the Islington North one doesn’t get to choose Corbyn?

 

[David O'Day]

We teach kids in Year 7 about leading statements or response options in questionnaires….

as i said, people said this while we were out on the knock

 

[fernandopartridge]

You really don't get it do you.

I can't be fucked arguing about this again.

But I said something the other day about how people perceive Corbyn and how he affects the perception of Labour. You all disagreed and jumped on me.

Days later a poll comes out proving exactly what I said.

The end.

Be interesting to do a poll side by side with an open question as to what voters perceive to be Labour's barrier to winning the next election. I doubt many people would answer the name of somebody who is not the leader and hasn't been for 3 years nor has any influence.

 

[Grendel]

We teach kids in Year 7 about leading statements or response options in questionnaires….

I doubt his abilities are that far advanced to be fair

 

[PVA]

Be interesting to do a poll side by side with an open question as to what voters perceive to be Labour's barrier to winning the next election. I doubt many people would answer the name of somebody who is not the leader and hasn't been for 3 years nor has any influence.

It's not the barrier. It's a barrier.

Why not remove as many barriers as possible.

 

[Grendel]

Be interesting to do a poll side by side with an open question as to what voters perceive to be Labour's barrier to winning the next election. I doubt many people would answer the name of somebody who is not the leader and hasn't been for 3 years nor has any influence.

If the question was asked to Mr 29% Milliband he would score positively on such a poll yet was a joke figure at the election

 

[Grendel]

It's not the barrier. It's a barrier.

Why not remove as many barriers as possible.

It really isn't though is it. How can a figure who polled a higher percentage at an election that Blair have that response unless its a leading question. It suits a narrative for simpletons like you to feed off.

 

[Ian1779]

Be interesting to do a poll side by side with an open question as to what voters perceive to be Labour's barrier to winning the next election. I doubt many people would answer the name of somebody who is not the leader and hasn't been for 3 years nor has any influence.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It really isn't though is it. How can a figure who polled a higher percentage at an election that Blair have that response unless its a leading question. It suits a narrative for simpletons like you to feed off.

He did also oversee the complete destruction in 2019. Regardless, without Starmer he would be a total irrelevance now. Now there is a risk he beats Labour next year…

 

[Grendel]

Be interesting to do a poll side by side with an open question as to what voters perceive to be Labour's barrier to winning the next election. I doubt many people would answer the name of somebody who is not the leader and hasn't been for 3 years nor has any influence.

I guess the Tory decline will be down to Theresa May not being de-selected

 

[PVA]

It really isn't though is it. How can a figure who polled a higher percentage at an election that Blair have that response unless its a leading question. It suits a narrative for simpletons like you to feed off.

Are you aware of the concept of time?

 

[Grendel]

Are you aware of the concept of time?

Are you aware of a leading poll question to create a response? Lol this is hilarious

A forgotten figure in the party and the electorate in general is suddenly a barrier to Starmer being elected - ok

 

[PVA]

Are you aware of a leading poll question to create a response? Lol this is hilarious

A forgotten figure in the party and the electorate in general is suddenly a barrier to Starmer being elected - ok

I guess those cracks are really starting to show though

 

[Grendel]

I guess those cracks are really starting to show though

You really are the gift that never stops giving

 

[Deleted member 5849]

We teach kids in Year 7 about leading statements or response options in questionnaires….

Never sinks in for all the footy ones we get shared on this board.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Never

 

[fernandopartridge]

The Corbyn barrier thing gets worse with age, 75% of the over 75s said "Yes". This age group are highly unlikely to switch from Tory to Labour so what the fuck is the point in courting them or representing their views as particularly relevant to the next election

 

[Ian1779]

The Corbyn barrier thing gets worse with age, 75% of the over 75s said "Yes". This age group are highly unlikely to switch from Tory to Labour so what the fuck is the point in courting them or representing their views as particularly relevant to the next election

What Starmer hasn’t fathomed is that Corbyn is not a barrier at all at the other end of the age scale, in fact he was responsible for engaging masses of them with politics. They are the future and he’s not interested in appealing to them.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I guess those cracks are really starting to show though

Nothing to be excited about.

 

[PVA]

Nothing to be excited about.

I'd say a government that isn't disgustingly corrupt or intent on demonising the very worst off in society is quite a lot to get excited about.

Even if their policies aren't quite as we'd wish.

 

[JAM See]

What Starmer hasn’t fathomed is that Corbyn is not a barrier at all at the other end of the age scale, in fact he was responsible for engaging masses of them with politics. They are the future and he’s not interested in appealing to them.

There's probably some stat knowledgeable team who are also looking at the voting age profile, and deciding that young people are engaged on social media, but don't actually turn up to their polling station.

I threatened my kids (now 38 and 32) with expulsion from the family inheritance if the didn't vote. They can vote for who they like, but they must vote.

They both moaned, at age 18 respectively, that they couldn't be bothered and most of their mates didn't vote anyway.

Compulsory voting and PR is the way to go.

 

[Grendel]

I'd say a government that isn't disgustingly corrupt or intent on demonising the very worst off in society is quite a lot to get excited about.

Even if their policies aren't quite as we'd wish.

What are their policies and what policies would you change?

 

[Grendel]

There's probably some stat knowledgeable team who are also looking at the voting age profile, and deciding that young people are engaged on social media, but don't actually turn up to their polling station.

I threatened my kids (now 38 and 32) with expulsion from the family inheritance if the didn't vote. They can vote for who they like, but they must vote.

They both moaned, at age 18 respectively, that they couldn't be bothered and most of their mates didn't vote anyway.

Compulsory voting and PR is the way to go.

What a load of rubbish

 

[JAM See]

What a load of rubbish

Yawn.

 

[shmmeee]

What are their policies and what policies would you change?

This is a reasonable overview: Secure our economy. Protect our NHS. Rebuild our country.

Most of the things I’d change aren’t in there but have been said, drug reform, NHS reform, I have some serious questions.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I'd say a government that isn't disgustingly corrupt or intent on demonising the very worst off in society is quite a lot to get excited about.

Even if their policies aren't quite as we'd wish.

The Opposition leader has spent more of his recent time attacking the former leader of his own party, than the government of the day.

It isn't exciting for said government to be going, it's years and years overdue.

And if they're going to govern with very gradual incrementalism, it will be way too little, way too late for people who need more.