fernandopartridge
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Embarrassing
Do you want to discuss boring politics? (41 Viewers)
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Sky Blue Pete
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Sorry said to wind some up on here
You know what I mean
Are you a millionaire?
Nick
Administrator
Wish I was, I'm not a train driver.
Let's face it, a lot of the policies seem to be about spite rather than encouraging people to better themselves.
I'm sure some hotels need to be paid for.
MalcSB
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That’s what they already do, isn’t it? And if you have anything left, you pay for your own social care including subsidising the care of the feckless who get it free.
Im surprised there has not been more fuss about these cunts cancelling the cap.
What do you think will change for you then if you don't mind me asking?
Nick
Administrator
What now or going forward?
MalcSB
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Aren’t there some spare barges about?
Yeah going forward!
Nick
Administrator
MalcSB
Well-Known Member
How much is the foreign aid budget these days?Course all the money needs to go to other countries
Nick
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Probably work until I'm about 85 as I'm not able to put as much as I'd like into a pension.
Its affected me sort of already as college plans for my daughter have had to change.
By that point there will be others coming into the country and living in a nicer pad than me and being entitled to more than me without working a day in their life.
I can't see any change they have mentioned that is going to positively benefit me.
Road's at cost per mile to replace road tax on certain rds meaning all road's looking ahead which was coming anyway from industry bodies, hopefully a few bikes as well,there will be those people that receive grants to get started admittedly but also the one's that seem to have fund's behind them when they arrive competing for property, second hand car's dealer's and big SUVs Will soar,the list goes on!
What has been the impact of your daughter's plan's re college if you don't mind me asking?
Skybluekyle
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Last figure I seen was £7.2billion
MalcSB
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We already pay taxes according to miles driven, unless you have an electric car.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Because working hard is the only reason people get money of course, and not working hard is why people don’t have enough.
Marty
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Don't we already pay per a mile with the fuel duty and tax? More you drive the more you pay.
MalcSB
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Working hard is probably the reason why most people have built up savings but not everyone who has worked hard will have savings.
People who have not worked hard probably won’t have savings, the vast majority of people who haven’t worked at all won’t have savings either.
There’s a big hole forecast as more people move to EVs though. Fuel plus road tax is just a money spinner for governments and they can’t lose that !
Brighton Sky Blue
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This is an age where people are handsomely rewarded for recording themselves making disgusting eating noises on the internet.
In my own case, as a postgraduate student and my wife working full time we are eligible for £0 in support for childcare costs. So I suppose come not too long we’ll burn through our savings courtesy of that and a £300 monthly mortgage increase.
It’s OK, we’ll just be in the ‘bone idle’ category.
MalcSB
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So charge the EVs then (no pun intended).
duffer
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I'm sorry mate, but some of this simply isn't true.
People who don't have the right to reside here, illegal immigrants if you will, don't get benefits. That's a myth, spread by wankers like Tommy Robinson, to shit stir; let's not repeat it here, eh.
They get, at the most, £47 a week, to include food, toiletries, clothing, everything else. £9.58 a week if they live in accommodation where food is provided.
They obviously won't live in a nicer place than you, unless you're living in some shithole hotel.
Surprisingly enough, legal immigrants, with the right to reside, also don't tend to come here to live on benefits. Some can claim benefits, some cannot, but the basic truth here is that white UK men are more likely to claim unemployment benefit than immigrants.
This makes sense if you think it through, because most people aren't going to uproot themselves from their homes and families, just to come and sit on their arses in some cold, wet, shithole town for £400 a month (universal credit). They want to work, which is why they take the crap jobs that no one else wants.
I get that you've worked hard and don't have much to show for it. I know the feeling, a lot of us here probably do.
Where we differ, is I don't blame that problem on the people with even less than me. I look at how uneven the wealth distribution is in this country, and wonder if the small proportion of people, many of whom genuinely haven't worked a day in their lives, and are definitely living in nicer pads than you and I, might want to share a bit more. See also vast, tax-dodging, multinationals with billionaire owners etc..
It's that which informs my politics mate, which are some way apart from this iteration of the Labour party, but light-years away from any version of the Tories!
Frankly, if you're unhappy, you're punching in the wrong direction, imho.
‘Illegal immigrants’ aren’t entitled to benefits in the UK - Full Fact
A Facebook post calls for “illegal immigrants” to be deterred by stopping benefits—but people in the UK without a right to be here aren’t entitled to benefits already.
fullfact.org
Migrants in the UK Labour Market: An Overview - Migration Observatory
This briefing looks at the jobs migrant workers do, their role in the UK labour market and their labour market integration.
The Scale of Economic Inequality in the UK - Equality Trust
The UK has very high inequality of income compared to other developed countries. The UK's wealth inequality is much more severe than income inequality.
equalitytrust.org.uk
MalcSB
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Presumably at some point you will reap the benefit of your choice to undertake post graduate study. You are clearly not bone idle, it’s the fuckers that are that are making me increasingly angry. Alongside those elements of society who support the internet geniuses you mention.
Brighton Sky Blue
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No argument here
MalcSB
Well-Known Member
The top 10% of earners already pay over 60% of income tax. The problem is that the small proportion of rich people you refer to is very small and stripping them of their wealth wouldn’t touch the sides. I guess that depends on your definition of rich / wealthy.I'm sorry mate, but some of this simply isn't true.
People who don't have the right to reside here, illegal immigrants if you will, don't get benefits. That's a myth, spread by wankers like Tommy Robinson, to shit stir; let's not repeat it here, eh.
They get, at the most, £47 a week, to include food, toiletries, clothing, everything else. £9.58 a week if they live in accommodation where food is provided.
They obviously won't live in a nicer place than you, unless you're living in some shithole hotel.
Surprisingly enough, legal immigrants, with the right to reside, also don't tend to come here to live on benefits. Some can claim benefits, some cannot, but the basic truth here is that white UK men are more likely to claim unemployment benefit than immigrants.
This makes sense if you think it through, because most people aren't going to uproot themselves from their homes and families, just to come and sit on their arses in some cold, wet, shithole town for £400 a month (universal credit). They want to work, which is why they take the crap jobs that no one else wants.
I get that you've worked hard and don't have much to show for it. I know the feeling, a lot of us here probably do.
Where we differ, is I don't blame that problem on the people with even less than me. I look at how uneven the wealth distribution is in this country, and wonder if the small proportion of people, many of whom genuinely haven't worked a day in their lives, and are definitely living in nicer pads than you and I, might want to share a bit more. See also vast, tax-dodging, multinationals with billionaire owners etc..
It's that which informs my politics mate, which are some way apart from this iteration of the Labour party, but light-years away from any version of the Tories!
Frankly, if you're unhappy, you're punching in the wrong direction, imho.
access/
Migrants in the UK Labour Market: An Overview - Migration Observatory
This briefing looks at the jobs migrant workers do, their role in the UK labour market and their labour market integration.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk
The Scale of Economic Inequality in the UK - Equality Trust
The UK has very high inequality of income compared to other developed countries. The UK's wealth inequality is much more severe than income inequality.
You are spot on about the tax dodging multinationals. I would include the various denomination churches, especially the RC, which seem to have huge wealth, property and land.
duffer
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The proportion might be small, but the wealth they hold is vast, and that inequality is growing. That's the whole point.
No one is talking about stripping them of all of it, but before I started complaining about the bone idle poor, I might think about reducing inequality by looking at the bone idle rich, and the vast unearned income that's finding its way to them in increasingly large amounts.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Despite people claiming it’s meaningless, corporation tax especially on certain utilities companies could be higher also.
fernandopartridge
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To be in the top 10% of earners it says you need to earn £66k per year. This is roughly double the median salary (and well above the minimum wage). 60% isn't a high number in that context and arguably on the low side.
shmmeee
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I’ve explicitly said it’s not a hill I’m dying on, I’m just trying to provide some balance to the “all grannies are going to die” hysteria. I think it’s bad politics badly executed and the threshold shouldn’t be pension credit. But if we are cutting the principle of taking from the richest makes sense.
It was in the 2017 Tory manifesto when they weren’t clinging to pensioners votes for their lives so much. It’s an issue that’s recognised cross bench as needing reform but the pensioner vote is such that both parties will only attempt it when they think they have bulletproof political capital.
shmmeee
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Yeah the wage squeeze has meant fairly average salaries are classed in the top 10. There’s a lot of people paid fuck all, a few people paid what thirty years ago would, accounting for inflation, be a normal middle class or skilled worker salary are now seen as some kings ransom.
Especially when a lot of these jobs exist in London. I’d like to see the income deciles with the South East excluded.
Corporation tax is already going up to 25%. Irelands is 15% I think. I’ve previously highlighted how much additional tax take Ireland generated when they reduced their CT to 12.5%, not even mentioning all of the addition jobs etc brought to the country generating personal tax revenues etc. This was done by attracting businesses to set up there
Energy production companies already pay an additional levy and banks pay an additional surcharge (there’s talk of this being increased again).
I’m not saying we cut rate to Ireland’s but it’s a fine balance between maximising tax takes and becoming uncompetitive, especially in a ‘globalised’ world. The bigger issue is ensuring multi nationals pay a larger/fairer share of their profits in the country it’s generated but that probably requires international co-operation, which we ain’t getting from the US whoever wins over there
shmmeee
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Ireland are in the EU though and there can only be one tax haven. There’s little actual job contribution in Ireland from companies headquartering there really. Their GDP per head is huge but their median salary is identical to ours with a much higher cost of living. I’m not sure their model is one we could or should follow.
MalcSB
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What is the point of having a career?
Not saying we should follow. Just it’s easy to become uncompetitive