Does anyone hold a grudge with people who go Sixfields (4 Viewers)

mark82

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I guess it could just be that outsiders might see it as support of the move.

Actually, from what I have seen from talking to people up here and seen on other clubs forums, outside perception is currently that we are shit fans who don't support our club.

But, to be honest, who gives a shit what other clubs fans think.
 

mark82

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People can do what they want, but for me if I went to Sixfields I'd feel like I was saying I support the move away from Coventry so that is why I don't go. It's all down to personal interpretation though.

Not everyone wants to get so involved in thepolitics though . It is just something they enjoy doing.
 

shmmeee

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Actually, from what I have seen from talking to people up here and seen on other clubs forums, outside perception is currently that we are shit fans who don't support our club.

But, to be honest, who gives a shit what other clubs fans think.

Funny I've seen the opposite, certainly when I was in Dudley I had sympathy from Wolves, Villa, Spurs and Arsenal fans. Subjective evidence huh?
 

shmmeee

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This 'rapid end' people are talking about could well be the end of the club alltogether. Not a sudden change of heart by the ballbags making the decisions and a helicopter back to the Ricoh with handjobs all round.

Back on topic. I don't hold a grudge. People can do what they want.

The worrying thing is that might be the end either way.
 

skybluelee

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This 'rapid end' people are talking about could well be the end of the club alltogether. Not a sudden change of heart by the ballbags making the decisions and a helicopter back to the Ricoh with handjobs all round.

Back on topic. I don't hold a grudge. People can do what they want.

Give me liquidation and a reformed side playing in the Southern Premier League over this any day of the week.
 

@richh87

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Does anyone hold a grudge against people against people who attend games in Northampton ??

Yes. I do.

If zero people attended then this would put far more pressure on SISU and the Football League.

These people are selfish in my opinion.


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mrbluesky87

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I dont hold a grudge but neither do i respect their decision. As fans we could have all stood united this season and not turned up at Sixfields to make a very strong point. I remember the march through Coventry, we were united then, what went wrong??
I hear its because they just want to watch a game of football, SO DO I. I hear its because its bonding time for fathers and Sons etc, IVE LOST THAT BONDING TIME. I will be honest those that go on a regular basis probably do not care about the politics of the club or where its going, thats fine, but never moan if it does go eventually wrong and never gloat that you are a real fan who was there through thick and thin.
The majority have had to make a tough decision and had the back bone to stand by it. Lets just hope that if we are in Northampton next season, the up take in season tickets will be less as will the general attendances.
 

hill83

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Don't disagree wit the latter point. No grudge. However, as has been posted before; total abstinence - that is zero home fans - would bring about a level of publicity that would bring all parties (whoever you consider culpable) toward a quicker resolution. For every fan who does attend, that effect is negated. As long as they acknowledge their actions do have a consequence, that's fine. Do what they wish. Live with the consequqjmce...

That would be lovely, it really would, but:

1. It's not going to happen as people insist on going to Sixfields
2. That resolution could still be the club ceasing to exist.

As a couple have said, that might be better than the situation we currently have, but there is no way I'll be supporting a new club.
England and golf for me.

And on another note, and I've said this before. If a breakaway team is formed and CCFC still exist I will consider all fans of this breakaway club my mortal enemies.
More so than Wolves, Villa and Leicester. Turning your back on the club when it needs us the most.

A new club, and a breakaway club are 2 very very different things.
 
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Esoterica

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Don't disagree wit the latter point. No grudge. However, as has been posted before; total abstinence - that is zero home fans - would bring about a level of publicity that would bring all parties (whoever you consider culpable) toward a quicker resolution. For every fan who does attend, that effect is negated. As long as they acknowledge their actions do have a consequence, that's fine. Do what they wish. Live with the consequqjmce...

How does a level of publicity brought about by total abstinence bring all parties toward a quicker resolution? I'd really like to understand it and being a bit dense up top I hope you can help me get the point

Firstly what and where do you think the publicity will be? And which are the parties you think will be pushed towards a quicker resolution by it
 

sky blue john

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How does a level of publicity brought about by total abstinence bring all parties
toward a quicker resolution? I'd really like to understand it and being a bit dense up top I hope you can help me get the point

Firstly what and where do you think the publicity will be? And which are the parties you think will be pushed towards a quicker resolution by it

Media pressure on the football league dumb dumb.....
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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How does a level of publicity brought about by total abstinence bring all parties toward a quicker resolution? I'd really like to understand it and being a bit dense up top I hope you can help me get the point

Firstly what and where do you think the publicity will be? And which are the parties you think will be pushed towards a quicker resolution by it

We have already had exposure in the national press with regards our plight; especially post the MK Dons attendance. Further interest on the national stage would surely expose the frailties of either side's arguments. It's often stated that either side spins reality to the confusion of many fans. Look on GMK, for example, as many are clearly 'confused' on there.

If the blame sits with CCC, or SISU; be it by weight of public opinion, or governing bodies (such as the FL) being forced to act, then resolution would come about more quickly.

And zero fans at Sixfields would do a world of good to ensure that happened
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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@ Esoterica: By means of evidencing the above; the Guardian article that I would be legally castigated for even providing a link to, was written on Monday 2nd December; directly after the MK Dons gate.

QED: remarkable gates bring with them exposure that many don't like
 

skyblueinBaku

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I hold no grudge against Sixfields attendees. I don't go there because I believe that CCFC should play in Coventry, and there is no legitimate reason for them to play elsewhere. I think that is the message that all non-attendees are trying to send to those responsible for our playing 'home' games in Northampton. I believe that each person who goes into Sixfields dilutes that message.
 

Sterling Archer

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It seems as though a large proportion think if zero fans turned up, we'd be back at the Ricoh quicker than you can say "not one penny more unless its Arsenal away"!

Just out of curiosity, why? Enlighten me.

Judging from SISU's actions with our club I just can't see this to be the case whatsoever.

Please attempt to answer this question without wild speculation and some ideal sky blue tinted specs world in your head. It would be appreciated.
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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The football league aren't fussed though are they? Places like that go by their own laws and make the rules up to suit.

Really? Could they 'ignore' it and make up their own rules if it were Leeds, Or Nottingham Forest in our position? I reckon not.

The difference? Their heritage and fan base would give rise to more noise that would embarrass them into acting. We can't match the heritage or fan base; but we aren't insignificant, and could amplify the nature of our plight with something remarkable. Like the MK Dons attendance. Or constant and habitual Sixfields abstinence
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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It seems as though a large proportion think if zero fans turned up, we'd be back at the Ricoh quicker than you can say "not one penny more unless its Arsenal away"!

Just out of curiosity, why? Enlighten me.

Judging from SISU's actions with our club I just can't see this to be the case whatsoever.

Please attempt to answer this question without wild speculation and some ideal sky blue tinted specs world in your head. It would be appreciated.

Posts #85 and 86 are my take, without the embellishments, as requested
 

Sterling Archer

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A fair response but you lose marks for making me have to scroll up with my arthritic scroll finger.

The way I see it (and I could be very very wrong) is SISU are here to play hard ball, drive down the price of the Ricoh and get it on the cheap whilst postuering with all this new stadium fallacy. Zero fans would honestly mean nothing to them and believe the actions they have taken so far has shown that.

The difference between 0 fans and 1500 fans turning up compared to the 10000 to 150000 we were getting last season (which would probably be more this season at the Ricoh with the brand of football and entertainment the current team are showing) has obviously had zero effect on SISU currently and going from 1500 to 0 would in my opinion have no effect on what I surmise to be SISU's 'end game'.

The Football League have already shown themselves to be spineless or more importantly, powerless to intervene. If there were zero fans turning up, what could the FA or FL actually do? What permissions do they have? What sanctions can they legally carry out? I'm yet to see anything that suggests they would be able to intervene in a way that would see us move back to Coventry without the owners say so. SISU are seemingly happy to take the mammoth losses and bad publicity in order to get the Ricoh on the cheap as they see that as a more lucrative end for them in this saga.

So with SISU playing hard ball regardless and the FL spineless and ultimately powerless,I just can't see anything that suggests zero fans would speed up this process one iota, which is a real shame but unfortunately (and probably) indicative of the modern world of football that we live in.
 

wingy

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The reason most quoted for attendance is purely to support the boys
Now what would be the manager and teams stance toward the owner be with zero?!
 

fernandopartridge

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A fair response but you lose marks for making me have to scroll up with my arthritic scroll finger.

The way I see it (and I could be very very wrong) is SISU are here to play hard ball, drive down the price of the Ricoh and get it on the cheap whilst postuering with all this new stadium fallacy. Zero fans would honestly mean nothing to them and believe the actions they have taken so far has shown that.

The difference between 0 fans and 1500 fans turning up compared to the 10000 to 150000 we were getting last season (which would probably be more this season at the Ricoh with the brand of football and entertainment the current team are showing) has obviously had zero effect on SISU currently and going from 1500 to 0 would in my opinion have no effect on what I surmise to be SISU's 'end game'.

The Football League have already shown themselves to be spineless or more importantly, powerless to intervene. If there were zero fans turning up, what could the FA or FL actually do? What permissions do they have? What sanctions can they legally carry out? I'm yet to see anything that suggests they would be able to intervene in a way that would see us move back to Coventry without the owners say so. SISU are seemingly happy to take the mammoth losses and bad publicity in order to get the Ricoh on the cheap as they see that as a more lucrative end for them in this saga.

So with SISU playing hard ball regardless and the FL spineless and ultimately powerless,I just can't see anything that suggests zero fans would speed up this process one iota, which is a real shame but unfortunately (and probably) indicative of the modern world of football that we live in.

Spot on. The cost of losing 3-4k fans through the gates at Sixfields is nowhere near the cost of paying millions more for the Ricoh.
 

sky blue john

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Sterling your right with Sisu's stance and the reason behind that is the JR.
But the weak link would be the football league who would have to act once media pressure increased. Tell me how could they ignore no home fans from a club averaging 2-4k away ?????
 

Samo

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A fair response but you lose marks for making me have to scroll up with my arthritic scroll finger.

The way I see it (and I could be very very wrong) is SISU are here to play hard ball, drive down the price of the Ricoh and get it on the cheap whilst postuering with all this new stadium fallacy. Zero fans would honestly mean nothing to them and believe the actions they have taken so far has shown that.

The difference between 0 fans and 1500 fans turning up compared to the 10000 to 150000 we were getting last season (which would probably be more this season at the Ricoh with the brand of football and entertainment the current team are showing) has obviously had zero effect on SISU currently and going from 1500 to 0 would in my opinion have no effect on what I surmise to be SISU's 'end game'.

The Football League have already shown themselves to be spineless or more importantly, powerless to intervene. If there were zero fans turning up, what could the FA or FL actually do? What permissions do they have? What sanctions can they legally carry out? I'm yet to see anything that suggests they would be able to intervene in a way that would see us move back to Coventry without the owners say so. SISU are seemingly happy to take the mammoth losses and bad publicity in order to get the Ricoh on the cheap as they see that as a more lucrative end for them in this saga.

So with SISU playing hard ball regardless and the FL spineless and ultimately powerless,I just can't see anything that suggests zero fans would speed up this process one iota, which is a real shame but unfortunately (and probably) indicative of the modern world of football that we live in.

I increasingly agree with this view. I do not believe NOPM will work.
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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A fair response but you lose marks for making me have to scroll up with my arthritic scroll finger.

The way I see it (and I could be very very wrong) is SISU are here to play hard ball, drive down the price of the Ricoh and get it on the cheap whilst posturing with all this new stadium fallacy. Zero fans would honestly mean nothing to them and believe the actions they have taken so far has shown that.

The difference between 0 fans and 1500 fans turning up compared to the 10000 to 150000 we were getting last season (which would probably be more this season at the Ricoh with the brand of football and entertainment the current team are showing) has obviously had zero effect on SISU currently and going from 1500 to 0 would in my opinion have no effect on what I surmise to be SISU's 'end game'.

The Football League have already shown themselves to be spineless or more importantly, powerless to intervene. If there were zero fans turning up, what could the FA or FL actually do? What permissions do they have? What sanctions can they legally carry out? I'm yet to see anything that suggests they would be able to intervene in a way that would see us move back to Coventry without the owners say so. SISU are seemingly happy to take the mammoth losses and bad publicity in order to get the Ricoh on the cheap as they see that as a more lucrative end for them in this saga.

So with SISU playing hard ball regardless and the FL spineless and ultimately powerless,I just can't see anything that suggests zero fans would speed up this process one iota, which is a real shame but unfortunately (and probably) indicative of the modern world of football that we live in.

Two points. Firstly, you are right. SISU underestimated the 'following' who'd attend Sixfields by some three-fold. They must be smarting. The low crowds have bought some media attention; especially the juxtaposition between the lowly Sixfields home crowds compared with the MK Dons attendance. And how did SISU respond when the spotlight of national attention fell upon them in that instance?

They don't like this gaze upon their actions; and zero fans would bring a remarkable attention upon our plight.

Now, I come onto your point: 'The way I see it (and I could be very very wrong) is SISU are here to play hard ball, drive down the price of the Ricoh and get it on the cheap whilst posturing with all this new stadium fallacy'. I pretty much align myself with this opinion.

Now, think on. As more broken promises, fabled locations and posturing continue in the coming weeks and months - as many of us have long conlcluded this is to stall, awaiting the JR outcome (as why the hell else would they pursue this at their own cost?); how long before those who did go to Sixfields realise they're been - what shall we say? Misled? Let down?

What when they realise that maybe, this club they claim to love so very, very much, has been moved out of it's town, threatened with liquidation and dragged through the mud for what? The leasehold on a stadium?!? How can they then align themselves with such owners? The club's very existence used as a chip on a roulette table for financial gain?!?

And I don't subscribe to this 'I just go there to spend time with my kids' argument. How about showing your kids how you stand up to something you don't believe in? That's a life lesson for them. Or going along to 'support the lads'; believing that it's possible to do so without in some weay vindicating the actions of owners who've acted as above?!?
 
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fernandopartridge

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Sterling your right with Sisu's stance and the reason behind that is the JR.
But the weak link would be the football league who would have to act once media pressure increased. Tell me how could they ignore no home fans from a club averaging 2-4k away ?????

Because it costs nothing relatively speaking. Say a further 4k turned up at the prices they're selling tickets for, it's only £60k based on a average of £15 per ticket over 23 games is £1.3m over the season
 

Grendel

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Sterling your right with Sisu's stance and the reason behind that is the JR.
But the weak link would be the football league who would have to act once media pressure increased. Tell me how could they ignore no home fans from a club averaging 2-4k away ?????

They'd have to ignore it. Intervention by forcing an organisation to a rent deal with a separate entity would in all probability be illegal so they would be unable to intervene
 

Samo

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Sterling your right with Sisu's stance and the reason behind that is the JR.
But the weak link would be the football league who would have to act once media pressure increased. Tell me how could they ignore no home fans from a club averaging 2-4k away ?????[/QUOTE]

They will do just that... ignore it. Haven't they stated several times that thier job is to fulfill fixtures and they cannot get involved with the running of a business?
 

sky blue john

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Sterling your right
with Sisu's stance and the reason behind that is the JR.
But the weak link would be the football league who would have to act once media pressure increased. Tell me how could they ignore no home fans from a club averaging 2-4k away ?????[/QUOTE]

They will do just that... ignore it. Haven't they stated several times that thier job is to fulfill fixtures and they cannot get involved with the running of a business?

Yes they have but they have got away with it upto now due to the fact 1500 fans are validating the decision they made.
 

Astute

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They'd have to ignore it. Intervention by forcing an organisation to a rent deal with a separate entity would in all probability be illegal so they would be unable to intervene

But if they would have followed their own rules things would have ended up totally different. But as we all know they bent the rules on behalf of SISUE a few times.
 

sky blue john

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They'd have to ignore it. Intervention by forcing an organisation to a rent deal with a
separate entity would in all probability be illegal so they would be unable to intervene

Who says anything about forcing and anyway the football league can change their rules as they see fit just like they did in the summer !!!!
 

Samo

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Who says anything about forcing and anyway the football league can change their rules as they see fit just like they did in the summer !!!!

That's exactly what they would be doing isnt it? They would be forcing a club into a change of position. They will never do it!
 

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