The issue with the "coaching pathway" is there is simply no English coaches experienced enough or good enough. That's an issue for the FA to look at though, they showed the difference in course prices between England and other nations and it's no wonder why there are so many more qualified coaches in other countries.This is chicken and egg thinking here… What major nations have dabbled in hiring foreign managers? I can only think of Belgium, Portugal and ourselves.
We put too much importance on the manager and think Carsley would’ve probably done a good job with the team given time. There’s no point in having a coaching pathway if when the chips are down, they’ll bottle it and hire ‘the best’ available manager.
The issue with the "coaching pathway" is there is simply no English coaches experienced enough or good enough. That's an issue for the FA to look at though, they showed the difference in course prices between England and other nations and it's no wonder why there are so many more qualified coaches in other countries.
I say it's not "bottling it" if you look at the options and pick the best one.
Scaloni who had leaned very heavily on the best ever player in the world?Scaloni and de la Fuente achieved what exactly in senior football before winning the World Cup and Euros respectively?
On Spain and de la Fuente, he replaced Luis Enrique who is objectively a far more accomplished manager and yet de la Fuente’s team look far better.
Further back, you had Fernando Santos Joachim Löw who have won major tournaments in the last decade. No top level club management experience.
Which leaves Mancini and Deschamps who are both accomplished managers but no one would say they are best in class even in their own countries.
The bottom line is that for England, we are obsessed with the manager being ‘top class’. Yet, there are plenty of teams in the last decade who have won tournaments with ‘under-qualified’ managers in relation to the talent they manage.
For arguments sake, if Spain were led to Euros victory by Pep and Argentina led by Simeone I’d understand the requirement for a world class manager.
Comparing to Spain is a false equivalence really, they’ve a history and culture of producing top class coaches. How many Spanish managers are there in La Liga?Scaloni and de la Fuente achieved what exactly in senior football before winning the World Cup and Euros respectively?
On Spain and de la Fuente, he replaced Luis Enrique who is objectively a far more accomplished manager and yet de la Fuente’s team look far better.
Further back, you had Fernando Santos Joachim Löw who have won major tournaments in the last decade. No top level club management experience.
Which leaves Mancini and Deschamps who are both accomplished managers but no one would say they are best in class even in their own countries.
The bottom line is that for England, we are obsessed with the manager being ‘top class’. Yet, there are plenty of teams in the last decade who have won tournaments with ‘under-qualified’ managers in relation to the talent they manage.
For arguments sake, if Spain were led to Euros victory by Pep and Argentina led by Simeone I’d understand the requirement for a world class manager.
Scaloni who had leaned very heavily on the best ever player in the world? de la Feunte who has the best set of players in Europe? Santos had managed the big three in Portugal and internationally for Greece before her became Portugal manager. Low like Scaloni and de la Feunte worked in the national set up as either assistants or u20/u21 managers so the they are not the same as say giving Eddie Howe or Graham Potter the job, if we follow the same route it would be to make Carsley the job full time. This is classic corelation not meaning causation Is your argument really we shouldn't hire the better manager?
Scaloni who had leaned very heavily on the best ever player in the world?
de la Feunte who has the best set of players in Europe?
Santos had managed the big three in Portugal and internationally for Greece before her became Portugal manager.
Low like Scaloni and de la Feunte worked in the national set up as either assistants or u20/u21 managers so the they are not the same as say giving Eddie Howe or Graham Potter the job, if we follow the same route it would be to make Carsley the job full time.
This is classic corelation not meaning causation
Is your argument really we shouldn't hire the better manager?
The Spain comparison was more that de la Fuente was not considered a top coach amongst his fellow countrymen.Comparing to Spain is a false equivalence really, they’ve a history and culture of producing top class coaches. How many Spanish managers are there in La Liga?
I am happy with the Tuchel appointmentI see this as an appointment for the next World Cup and likely no further, he will surely still have his eye on club management.
A lot of rubbish about how Tuchel is a good appointment as he got the best out of Kane, Kane scored so many goals cause he was playing for the top goalscorers in Germany and the weaker teams are generally less competitive in Germany.
Kanes just been hammered for his performance in the Euros in the Summer ignoring that his coach for the last 12 months leading into the tournament was Tuchel, he should have been confident, fit and firing according to the narrative now that Tuchel is gonna get the best out of Kane.
I think an above par result in a meaningful competition should be the goal.It is ridiculous that pundits say that England have to win either the Euros or a WC, even the FA have said Tuchel's appointment gives them the best chance of winning the next WC. I just want an England team to play in a positive, attacking style & not the turgid, defensive shite we have seen over the last couple of years, winning something would be nice but we have to remember there are other countries with good players.
I think in general, successful international coaches generally haven't done a great deal at club level and more often than not don't go into have great success after they've finished internationally.Scaloni and de la Fuente achieved what exactly in senior football before winning the World Cup and Euros respectively?
On Spain and de la Fuente, he replaced Luis Enrique who is objectively a far more accomplished manager and yet de la Fuente’s team look far better.
Further back, you had Fernando Santos Joachim Löw who have won major tournaments in the last decade. No top level club management experience.
Which leaves Mancini and Deschamps who are both accomplished managers but no one would say they are best in class even in their own countries.
The bottom line is that for England, we are obsessed with the manager being ‘top class’. Yet, there are plenty of teams in the last decade who have won tournaments with ‘under-qualified’ managers in relation to the talent they manage.
For arguments sake, if Spain were led to Euros victory by Pep and Argentina led by Simeone I’d understand the requirement for a world class manager.
I doubt they interviewed 10 coachesI'd be curious to se the list of these 10 coaches FA said they interviewed. Claim they did interview English coaches but Howe says he wasn't one of them.
To be fair the number of players who have skived off the games is kind of taking the piss.I wasn't too fearful of having Carsley as our new manager, but now I have seen he's picked a midfield two of Conor Gallagher and Curtis Jones as the two central midfielders for England tonight, I have changed my mind.
I know there's been injuries, but still....
It is. Angel Gomes has to be better choice though doesn't he?To be fair the number of players who have skived off the games is kind of taking the piss.
Red card waiting to happen isn't he.Worst National Anthem singing ever!
Great goal.
Gallagher will be lucky to last game, with the way he plays.
Pickfpord trying to outsh*thouse Ben Wilson, with inevitable results.Red card waiting to happen isn't he.
He’s after a role recently vacated by David CooteRef seems a bit card happy
Well done ref…booking Pickford after 26mins for time wasting. If only championship refs are watching and taking note
Using a laser pin? WTF
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