Sky_Blue_Daz
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I watched the ireland game last week with my dad, if it wasn't for the goalie they could of been hammered. They could have the spine of a decent team in the next campaign
Yup. He has clearly been good on the whole with nurturing players and getting a good vibe within the camp, but I honestly think another manager could do a better job.
I like Howe. I like Graham Potter too, who I felt took the completely wrong job in going to Chelsea, where instant success was expected.
If he had been given time, I am sure he would have been successful.
They would have to be the two English front runners wouldn't they?
Because Alexander-Arnold is Southgates love child.I only watched 2nd half but luckily didn't have the sound on. I struggle to see what Grealish & TAA bring to the side. TAA thinks he's some superstar passer always looking to hit long passes yet seems to get in the way and is useless when we haven't got the ball. If we want someone to hit long passes like that why not Ward-Prowse?
Because Alexander-Arnold is Southgates love child.
How many other players aren't good enough to keep their position so get picked to play in another at international level?
Trent has 23 caps in five years and sat on the bench for all but 33 minutes of the WC, is that a favourite?
Sure there’s players more deserving of the title if we must!
I think you may well be right, sadlySouthgate was very selfish not walking away after the world cup and letting somebody else try and win something with these players ..very selfish ..and the FA were stupid to not get him out
People will look back at this period in 15 years and admit it was a missed opportunity , I guarantee it
To be honest the Euros was the time to go but I can see why he wouldn’t.Southgate was very selfish not walking away after the world cup and letting somebody else try and win something with these players ..very selfish ..and the FA were stupid to not get him out
People will look back at this period in 15 years and admit it was a missed opportunity , I guarantee it
Praised their excellent mentality, in a 1 all draw vs. North MacedoniaThe best of it all , is Southgate said that England played well last night
To be honest the Euros was the time to go but I can see why he wouldn’t.
He still had the confidence of all the players, the FA, and the media. Plus, England is apparently terrible at producing good managers and there is still no obvious successor. Not surprised at all he stayed.To be honest the Euros was the time to go but I can see why he wouldn’t.
The general consensus, which people have arrived to at different times, is that playing 7 defensive outfield players and directing them to play slow tempo football is at odds with where our strengths lie. On a few occasions when the play has been higher tempo and the likes of Bellingham allowed some creative freedom, it has looked far more threatening. Against decent opposition we have managed to be carved open despite stacking the pitch with defensive players. It’s very CCFC-esque.He still had the confidence of all the players, the FA, and the media. Plus, England is apparently terrible at producing good managers and there is still no obvious successor. Not surprised at all he stayed.
If we don’t win the Euros next year then it’s clearly a case of what could have been, but for all of Gareth’s shortcomings after seven (!) years in charge, there still isn’t a compelling counter-narrative for which other manager/tactic/first XI would have swept in and won it all.
Everyone loves to bang on about Maguire, but I think his regular presence in the England side for the past seven years is a symptom rather than a cause of England’s conservative style. For all our attacking assets (and it’s a literal plethora of them) we haven’t had a standout central midfield player in the squad until recently, and we have only one CB who most people would agree is consistently international quality. That means we have to make compromises elsewhere.The general consensus, which people have arrived to at different times, is that playing 7 defensive outfield players and directing them to play slow tempo football is at odds with where our strengths lie. On a few occasions when the play has been higher tempo and the likes of Bellingham allowed some creative freedom, it has looked far more threatening. Against decent opposition we have managed to be carved open despite stacking the pitch with defensive players. It’s very CCFC-esque.
That and the insistence on starting players who are out of favour with their clubs. Especially Maguire, who has just looked like a liability each time he’s played. Graham Potter would be a logical successor in any case
Everyone loves to bang on about Maguire, but I think his regular presence in the England side for the past seven years is a symptom rather than a cause of England’s conservative style. For all our attacking assets (and it’s a literal plethora of them) we haven’t had a standout central midfield player in the squad until recently, and we have only one CB who most people would agree is consistently international quality. That means we have to make compromises elsewhere.
Southgate has (correctly) determined that teams who are defensively well-organised tend to do better in international games which are getting increasingly tight and conservative. And he’s realised that dependable progression through tournaments is less about catering to the team’s prima donnas and/or trying to cram in whichever flair player is flavour of the month with fans and the press, and more about having a consistent backbone of leaders in the squad who trust the manager’s vision and will bring the rest of the squad along with them. For all the whining from England fans during every tournament of the Southgate era, there’s not been one jot of dissent from the players themselves, who would presumably be well within their rights to moan about a playing style that doesn’t cater to them - it certainly didn’t stop England players from doing it to bigger-name managers than Southgate in the past.
It isn’t always great to watch, but the results are two or three PKs away from being undeniable. Would Potter or Howe inevitably have done better? I’m not sure I’ve seen enough to say.
Well I suppose what I’m saying is that it’s definitely a lot easier to be an expressive, attacking team if your midfield is anchored by Schweinsteiger or Busquets - when it’s anchored by Declan Rice and Kalvin Phillips, not so much. Hummels-Boateng or Ramos-Puyol is a good defensive foundation to build an attractive side around….less so if it’s Stones-Centreback TBD (who is definitely better than Maguire, I promise, I just don’t want to name them right now)There are better centre backs than Maguire, even if you think there are not then there are CB's who are just as good and where playing far better.
The last Europeans were won a team that most of the time were set up to play entertaining football, great a being shithouses but the were entertaining as well.
Germany in 2014 were entertaining, Spain were the definition of a team set out to play pretty football and they didn't do too bad.
The players don't complain about him as they like him but being a nice man is not a qualification for the England job.
You like Southgate and everyone here would say he has been ok but some of us just think we have the players to be better.
I agree. I think Rice is a more than decent holding midfielder, and with an outstanding all-rounder like Bellingham alongside him and one of the best No.9's in Kane up front, there should be plenty of scope to fit in the plethora of creative attacking midfielders we've got available to us.I think Declan Rice is a fabulous player. Phillips is an odd one for sure.
The combination worked for a while, but he is getting such little game time. I find it odd that he's still being picked.
Rice is a great player but unfortunately England’s CBs need more protection than just him on his own. England’s results have improved accordingly while playing with two holding midfielders.I agree. I think Rice is a more than decent holding midfielder, and with an outstanding all-rounder like Bellingham alongside him and one of the best No.9's in Kane up front, there should be plenty of scope to fit in the plethora of creative attacking midfielders we've got available to us.
Rice is a great player but unfortunately England’s CBs need more protection than just him on his own. England’s results have improved accordingly while playing with two holding midfielders.
Do we need 3 centre backs and two holding players?Rice is a great player but unfortunately England’s CBs need more protection than just him on his own. England’s results have improved accordingly while playing with two holding midfielders.
Not necessarily no, which is probably why we don’t play that way very often now. The results when we did play that way were pretty good though.Do we need 3 centre backs and two holding players?
Rice is a great player but unfortunately England’s CBs need more protection than just him on his own. England’s results have improved accordingly while playing with two holding midfielders.
I would, TAA would be a nightmare as a defensive midfielder against good teams. His lack of defensive awareness he shows at right back where he regularly lets people make simple runs off him would be awful at CDM. He's going to fail to track so many midfield runners.I wonder if he’s planning on Bellingham, Rice and TAA as the three in the tournament if phillips isn’t playing regularly.. Bit bold as it will need TAA to sit deeper and have discipline but wouldn’t mind seeing it
Yeah I really don’t get the campaign for Trent in midfield. Personally I think Rice-Phillips-Bellingham is a great midfield trio which offers us the defensive balance and the energy we need to let our front three do its thing.I would, TAA would be a nightmare as a defensive midfielder against good teams. His lack of defensive awareness he shows at right back where he regularly lets people make simple runs off him would be awful at CDM. He's going to fail to track so many midfield runners.
It’s a random draw. They’ve got a very good record there.Why do Wales get to play all their qualification deciders at home?
They do indeed, and got two home ties for the World Cup playoff I think. Pretty fortunateIt’s a random draw. They’ve got a very good record there.
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