We were too defensive
We should have played Maddison/Foden etc instead
We should have made more subs
If we kept playing indefinitely we might have lost
I call Southgate win bingo!
In reality, Italy are a poor side these days.
This is the same side that lost to North Macedonia.We were lucky
We were too defensive
We should have played Maddison/Foden etc instead
We should have made more subs
If we kept playing indefinitely we might have lost
The opposition is actually rubbish
I call Southgate win bingo!
A team that has to go begging Argentina U21 strikers to play for them.This is the same side that lost to North Macedonia.
Haven’t seen Andy for years
Think we need a list of teams that are actual legitimate opponents then - I’m just trying to celebrate all these England wins after enduring years of shit, only to be told afterwards they don’t really count.This is the same side that lost to North Macedonia.
Think we need a list of teams that are actual legitimate opponents then - I’m just trying to celebrate all these England wins after enduring years of shit, only to be told afterwards they don’t really count.
You’re probably too young to remember how shit it used to be watching England in big tournaments. Then again, going by your posts on the night of the Euros final you might not remember the recent ones either.They don’t count we didn’t win anything
You’re probably too young to remember how shit it used to be watching England in big tournaments. Then again, going by your posts on the night of the Euros final you might not remember the recent ones either.
Get one of your teachers to tell you about the three England tournaments before that - now those were fantastic days.Yes it was excellent watching the last 3, I adored not winning anything. What fantastic nights!
Get one of your teachers to tell you about the three England tournaments before that - now those were fantastic days.
He's at most away games
It’s not about who’s done what statistically - I’m not sure any stat that puts Hodgson’s England career above Southgate’s is worth paying much attention to. It’s about what they’ve achieved - how many England managers bar Sir Alf wouldn’t trade their England record for Southgate’s?I mean statistically we picked up more wins under fabio capello , were you not tired of all the winning then ?
means very little
Roy Hodgson has picked up a higher % of points available in matches?
Were we not tired of all the winning then ?
Long story short , we've won nothing , and it's deeply dissapointing as the opposition is fucking shite these days
Hardly like going to Italy in the 90s was it
In terms of what we need today , we've basically wrapped up the group already , which is great
I'd fancy several past managers to guide this England team to similar or more with the level of competition todayIt’s not about who’s done what statistically - I’m not sure any stat that puts Hodgson’s England career above Southgate’s is worth paying much attention to. It’s about what they’ve achieved - how many England managers bar Sir Alf wouldn’t trade their England record for Southgate’s?
People can moan all they like about how every other team is now magically worse than they were in the 90s, or how any other manager would have England winning trophies at a canter - it’s all hypothetical and you can never be proven wrong, it’s the safest argument you can ever make. Southgate clearly has flaws but he’s done a better job in major tournaments than any of his better-paid, better-regarded predecessors, and so long as there’s tangible progress under his leadership then we should keep him there.
I'd fancy several past managers to guide this England team to similar or more with the level of competition today
If you asked England fans who he should have picked last night you'd have ended up with something like this:
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There’s always a ‘what if’ when Southgate hits a milestone.In reality, Italy are a poor side these days.
What milestone?There’s always a ‘what if’ when Southgate hits a milestone.
We’ve lost to plenty of underperforming Italy sides. Remember 2014?
And how about England? I’d say we’ve pretty clearly improved over the last 10 years. And yet weirdly, the fact that we look so much stronger today relative to the teams who used to routinely batter us a decade ago is more often used as a reason to downplay Southgate’s achievements, rather than to acknowledge the progress we’ve made.Some of the traditional big hitting European teams are really poor now when you compare them to the teams of 10/20 years ago. Netherlands starting line up today is piss poor, so was the Italy line up yesterday which is a shame really
I agree. You sort of feel like we'll do pretty well, but will ultimately fall short. Fair enough to him, he's got further in tournaments than any other manager but it just feels like we're not making the most of what we've got.The thing for me is that the selection of a player like Phillips, and a second half played out in the way it did last night is just repetition to the downfalls we keep seeing under Southgate.
Ok we won, against a poor Italy side, in a glorified friendly (let's face it if we don't qualify it'll be a major embarrassment). The issues we've had weren't corrected though; so whilst it's alright to let off a few fireworks, it doesn't look like we are learning our lesson. People are validated in raising that concern.
I agree. You sort of feel like we'll do pretty well, but will ultimately fall short. Fair enough to him, he's got further in tournaments than any other manager but it just feels like we're not making the most of what we've got.
Part of that is because he picks certain players like Mount and especially Phillips ahead of the likes of Foden and Maddison. If you've got Rice and Bellingham you really don't need to pick Phillips as well. With the wealth of attacking midfielders we've got there must be space for one of them in that side instead of Phillips. But if he did leave him out he'd end up picking Mount instead.
I know it's not a nice thing to say but approaching tournaments I sort of hope the like of Mount and Phillips pick up minor injuries that prevent their selection.
I’m not sure where this suggestion has come from that Bellingham is a defensive midfielder - others were saying it during the World Cup too. He gets forward tons, his average position last night was almost the same as Grealish’s. Sure, you can partner him with one holding midfielder instead of two, but it means he can’t get forward anywhere near as much, and we’ve seen how effective he can be during the WC.Part of that is because he picks certain players like Mount and especially Phillips ahead of the likes of Foden and Maddison. If you've got Rice and Bellingham you really don't need to pick Phillips as well. With the wealth of attacking midfielders we've got there must be space for one of them in that side instead of Phillips. But if he did leave him out he'd end up picking Mount instead.
I’m not sure where this suggestion has come from that Bellingham is a defensive midfielder - others were saying it during the World Cup too. He gets forward tons, his average position last night was almost the same as Grealish’s. Sure, you can partner him with one holding midfielder instead of two, but it means he can’t get forward anywhere near as much, and we’ve seen how effective he can be during the WC.
Yea Englands talent pool is night and day compared to 10 p ago, we definitely are strong enough to be in the conversation win something. Sadly if we don't win anything that will be a stick used to beat Southgate with rightly or wrongly.And how about England? I’d say we’ve pretty clearly improved over the last 10 years. And yet weirdly, the fact that we look so much stronger today relative to the teams who used to routinely batter us a decade ago is more often used as a reason to downplay Southgate’s achievements, rather than to acknowledge the progress we’ve made.
I’m not sure where this suggestion has come from that Bellingham is a defensive midfielder - others were saying it during the World Cup too. He gets forward tons, his average position last night was almost the same as Grealish’s. Sure, you can partner him with one holding midfielder instead of two, but it means he can’t get forward anywhere near as much, and we’ve seen how effective he can be during the WC.
He almost threw away a 2 goal lead duie to game mismanagement so we discuss the managers failing.We win (again) so we discuss the manager's failings (again)?
Same shit that people try and pull with Robins. I’ll just enjoy the win, thanks.He almost threw away a 2 goal lead duie to game mismanagement so we discuss the managers failing.
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