skybluetony176
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I was thinking of shirt sponsor rather than stadium sponsor. Although obviously that will be renewed at some point and again is arguably worth more with a top flight Rugby team as a permanent resident.
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I was thinking of shirt sponsor rather than stadium sponsor. Although obviously that will be renewed at some point and again is arguably worth more with a top flight Rugby team as a permanent resident.
chiefdave
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Didn't Brighton have to play outside Brighton and then at that terrible athletics place for years until a rich benefactor came along and paid for a new ground to be built?
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The Gentleman
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Do you say this with the same certainty when you said that no-one other than CCFC would be interested in playing at the Ricoh?
The Gentleman
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I know you try and come across in your posts as clever so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on this.
Go to the bottom of these thread pages and see the titles of the previous threads and the dates of them. They should give you an indication of why the vast majority on this forum are experts on this particular subject. Any gullible idiot who believes different is exactly that.
You say that I suggest that because no named investors etc, that that is not evidence, I think the fact that there is absolutely no factual evidence of a new stadium, plans, land, investors, no solid discussions with councils, that RFC believes it and Fisher seems to be going backwards with what he says is evidence enough to suggest that the 'new stadium' will not be built.
You talk about investors like some dreamy Jim Morrison character saying "build it and they will come".
dongonzalos
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I think that was around the same time he was stood in the sides cheerleading as the club decided to not complete buying half of ACL and he was encouraging them push even further in not doing any deals and threatening to go to a ground share. 'SISU's tactics are good for the club'Pretty sure he told us there would not be a groundshare and no other sports club could use the Ricoh.
Any new owner of CCFC would do a deal with Wasps as it is the only economically feasible way to give CCFC a future.
The only reason we don't is because it would be good for the club but not the owners. Especially whilst their court case says the Wasps model is not viable. Why would you invest in something you claim is unviable it would completely undermine their court case.
torchomatic
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And I keep asking you but don't get a reply; why would Wasps sign some of their revenues away to us when they aren't exactly in a great position themselves?
dongonzalos
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I always answer you, you just don't like the answer. That is not the same as not answering you.
If any new owner of CCFC presented Wasps with a business plan to show how CCFC were to grow and be successful. Then it would be in Wasps interests to sell. A successful CCFC increases revenues for ACL. Naming rights, marketing all income streams.It also overnight increases the value of ACL.
Yes they would lose access but they gain revenue on the remaining 50% to offset this. Also all of their deals increase.
Of course we would have to pay more for the 50% than they did. It automatically increased in value when they became anchor tenant than when they bid for it.
So you have for them
Someone to share the loan
Long term fellow anchor tenant
A successful CCFC boosting incomes and the marketability of the Ricoh.
Halve staffing costs by removing duplicated Roles.
Instant profit on their investment within 12 months
They two key factors though would be
1) trust
2) proving that CCFC would be successful
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italiahorse
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.... because it shares the risk.
If CCFC go bust or move they will loose that income, so they might as well have 50% of profits generated by CCFC as opposed to none.
If the stadium facilities like pitch, exhibition halls, hotel rooms etc are not being used they might as well let then have them at cost and take half the profit on incomes.
It's common sense business. Surely you can see that ?
torchomatic
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Personally, I'm hoping for Wasps to fail, they fuck off back to where they came from and then the Council sees sense and does a deal with the team from their own city.
dongonzalos
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Not sure if you answered my question the other day. Is your issue with Wasos because of francising or purely because it screwed CCFC?
torchomatic
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Both really. Franchising is wrong, don't need to remind you of the anger when we moved even temporarily to Northampton. Secondly, the Council decision screwed (good choice of words) the Club as we're now between a rock and a hard place.
Ideally, for me we would have a new stadium somewhere in the City and we could leave Wasps to it. Unfornately, that's not likely to happen. So our choices are to stay where we are and play in a stadium that's even more soulless than it was before thanks to the Wasps regalia or try and build our own stadium, which will never likely ever happen. So yes, we are screwed.
Certainly not saying it's not SISUs fault, it is, they should have done a deal, but SISU aren't going to be here forever, so the 250 lease decision really is a devastating blow to the city's indigenous sports team.
And although I wish Wasps to fail, I know it won't happen, but a man can dream. Still, I'll be there tonight and I'm going on Saturday to Chesterfield so I'm not giving up any time soon.
Ideally, for me we would have a new stadium somewhere in the City and we could leave Wasps to it. Unfornately, that's not likely to happen. So our choices are to stay where we are and play in a stadium that's even more soulless than it was before thanks to the Wasps regalia or try and build our own stadium, which will never likely ever happen. So yes, we are screwed.
Certainly not saying it's not SISUs fault, it is, they should have done a deal, but SISU aren't going to be here forever, so the 250 lease decision really is a devastating blow to the city's indigenous sports team.
And although I wish Wasps to fail, I know it won't happen, but a man can dream. Still, I'll be there tonight and I'm going on Saturday to Chesterfield so I'm not giving up any time soon.
Moff
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Does Torchy answering this question help the club, or make a difference to the heap of shit the club are in, or is it just to try and be self satisfyingly smug to get one up on him?
dongonzalos
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The latter, it seemed relevant whilst he was incorrectly accusing me of avoiding questions whilst actually doing so himself.
Moff
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chiefdave
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So therefore moved from renting a ground to owning it
Indeed but we don't have a benefactor to build a new ground and to all intents and purposes write off the cost of it. If SISU do actually build a new ground they will want a return on that investment.
That 'Temporarily' completely alienated our fanbase. The single most destructive thing SISU have done in a long line of idiotic fuck ups ! It may have only been for 15 months in the end but we were being told 3 years with a possible extension to 5 by that twat Fisher and that was enough for thousands !
dongonzalos
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I know I think it's going to be a horrible battering tonight.
Unless they become more concerned with their possible trip to Wembley
torchomatic
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You're not going to get me disagreeing with you. I totally understand which is why I find is so bizarre how some are quite openly welcoming Wasps to Coventry. As I said though SISU won't be here forever, but unfortunately, it seems that Wasps will be. That will have more of a long term affect than a year in Northampton, IMHO.
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torchomatic
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Well, I'm hoping TM has something up his sleeve. I don't think the pitch will be an issue tonight for Bradford as they'll just play their normal game as the ball will fly over the heads of midfield straight into our box. I'm hoping Webster plays tonight.
italiahorse
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Most fans will be long gone when that happens.
5 years for Wasps to fail (not a given) and another 5 years while Sisu take the club to Northampton to get it for nothing.
Then we rent it back from Sisu and fight for incomes with their management company. Brilliant !!
Captain Dart
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(As seen on TV) the pitch they were playing on in FA cup was seriously cut up & Stead was getting in down the right of the defence to cross from the edge of the box.. danger man!
italiahorse
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The only reason it will have more of a long term affect is that Sisu are not getting the best long term deal for the club while Wasps are vulnerable.
Instead they continue the JR and talk about a new stadium. At what point do Wasps realise they can manage without us and leave us to get on with it when the current deal ends.
chiefdave
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Where have you got those timescales from? For all we know Wasps could pack up and go in a couple of years if its clear the figures aren't stacking up.
There's lots of scenarios. In some ways that could lead to a positive outcome for us, but the downside is it leaves us in limbo. Remember ACL were struggling to break even and now have to pay higher loan repayments, I can't see anyway round that as the loan term has been reduced.
What if ACL can't meet their commitments and goes into administration? I would assume at that point the lease reverts to CCC. If ACL have defaulted on the loan and gone into admin it could be the case that we could pick up ACL for the same, or less, as Wasps paid but without the debt?
You'd be brave to bet on Wasps making this work and sticking around long term, we've seen how happy they are to move across the country when it suits.
rupert_bear
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Why would it ? I rarely get involved in these Wasp discussions but tell me the difference in paying rent to Wasps than when we paid rent to ACL aoart from it being a cheaper deal, did paying that £1.3million a year rent give the football team access to this great so called cash cow the Ricoh Arena ? Don't get me wrong I would much prefer our football club to own the Ricoh rather than the Wasps, then who is the football club ?
torchomatic
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If CCC had waited until SISU had left, which they will do one day, then they could have done a deal with the new owners and then the football club would be united with its own stadium in its own city. Revenue would have been ours. The stadium would have been "ours" maybe for 250 years.
Hate talking about Wasps too. But they saw an unbelievable opportunity(created in my opinion totally by SISUs unwillingness to engage with anyone), didn't dither and proceeded to engage with the owners. They must have thought all their Christmases had come at once.
Started under previous regimes, certainly; but hastened to this scenario by SISU, definitely.
Started under previous regimes, certainly; but hastened to this scenario by SISU, definitely.
italiahorse
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You can't really believe that we will ever finance our own stadium ?
So, your hope is that someone will come in and buy the club then buy the stadium and give it to the club?
You expect the council to go with that ?
You really are clueless.
torchomatic
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No, I don't believe we will ever finance our own stadium, where did I say we would? I don't think you read what I wrote properly. I said IF the Council had waited for SISU to leave then they COULD have done a deal with the NEW owners rather than give it to the first franchise to knock on their door. That would mean that CCFC (that's our team remember) would be in its rightful place rather than some team with zero affinity to the area. No need for the new stadium nonsense then.
And you call me clueless. Fuck me.
And you call me clueless. Fuck me.
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Moff
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Not Worcetser alone, but I expect to see the Saints and Tigers step in, as surely everyones favourite franchise club (who seem to have no respect for tradition) would not settle for just talent spotting in Cov and Warks, why not head east to Leicestershire or Northants.....I think these two clubs will have a big say against this.