General Election 2019 thread (13 Viewers)

[Deleted member 5849]

My niece is currently training to be a nurse; my daughters' friend is a diabetic nurse; and my mates daughter is also a nurse. But WHY can't we produce more of our own? We do we have so many coming over? Is the training and education better and cheaper overseas? And, if so, how come so many come to the UK on student visas to study in our universities?

I'm not trying to be smart, I honestly don't know why we can't produce our own NHS doctors and staff and why there is this necessity to recruit from abroad.

Because we don't fund the courses

 

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[Otis]

Boris said this just a couple of days ago.

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Nothing that man says surprises me, but here we are, with him in 10 Downing Street.

Unbelievable, but true.

And with Trump in the White House, I may have to pinch myself every morning just in case it's all just a dream.

I just wonder who's next, the one remaining Chuckle Brother and Dick Van Dyke?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Nothing that man says surprises me, but here we are, with him in 10 Downing Street.

Unbelievable, but true.

And with Trump in the White House, I may have to pinch myself every morning just in case it's all just a dream.

I just wonder who's next, the one remaining Chuckle Brother and Dick Van Dyke?

Harsh on the Chuckle Brothers

 

[Grendel]

Harsh on the Chuckle Brothers

Well still more likely then a Sinn Fein suck up

Good riddance

 

[fellatio_Martinez]

good luck packing me off to Jamaica, South Africa, Scotland, The Netherlands and that one last little bit to Manchester.

Have you got any Irish in you and if not would you like some?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

My niece is currently training to be a nurse; my daughters' friend is a diabetic nurse; and my mates daughter is also a nurse. But WHY can't we produce more of our own? We do we have so many coming over? Is the training and education better and cheaper overseas? And, if so, how come so many come to the UK on student visas to study in our universities?

I'm not trying to be smart, I honestly don't know why we can't produce our own NHS doctors and staff and why there is this necessity to recruit from abroad.

The simple answer on doctors is that they go abroad to countries with better working conditions. Australia and NZ are top of the list for that. With nurses I imagine it’s a similar story to teachers. You now have to pay to train and when you qualify you’re working longer hours with fewer resources and your pay continues to stagnate.

More also don’t come through an education system that is fit for purpose after a lengthy period of neglect.

 

[mark82]

I really hope this isn't the way things go. Maybe if we all hadn't been so accepting of the fact politicians lie over the years we wouldn't have this mess now. The thought that the solution will be for everyone else to ramp up the lies and deceit does not sit well with me.

Yeah, I agree. Was slightly tongue in cheek. Frustrated though that the Conservatives were able to get away with it. People say they want change but in reality they've voted for exactly what they've always had. I'd have had more respect if people had voted for the Brexit party en masse.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I genuinely find that depressing

Think that’s as close to ‘I’m wrong’ as we will get

 

[mark82]

Shit wage. I earn more than double my sister in law (nursery nurse) for sitting on my arse doing computers as she’d say. (I work smart not hard)

You know what you are getting into wages wise before you start, but she didn’t care about that. She wanted to help people and She deserves more.

More money needs investing. I’d be more than happy to pay more tax out of my earnings. A lot wouldn’t. Tell me that’s not what it ultimately boils down to.

Not a fucking chance I’d be working my arse off to help people. That’s not me. These people deserve more hard cash.

100% agree with this. My wife is a nursery nurse, she's in charge of other people's kids lives on a daily basis and earns minimum wage for doing so. Like you, I work in IT and earn 5 times what she does and don't have half the stress. We both work hard but there's always seemed to be an injustice for me in how she is compensated. If I fuck up at work, the consequences aren't grave, if she fucks up a kid could get injured or die, or we could have our kids removed from us. It's crazy.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

 

[Mild-Mannered Janitor]

100% agree with this. My wife is a nursery nurse, she's in charge of other people's kids lives on a daily basis and earns minimum wage for doing so. Like you, I work in IT and earn 5 times what she does and don't have half the stress. We both work hard but there's always seemed to be an injustice for me in how she is compensated. If I fuck up at work, the consequences aren't grave, if she fucks up a kid could get injured or die, or we could have our kids removed from us. It's crazy.

My daughters the same, she goes back in February after having a baby earlier this year, not even a discount at the nursery for her being an employee, she will be working for about £2 an hour after she pays for him to be at the nursery.

 

[Sick Boy]

The public service attacking the private sector who pay their wages , unless you live in cloud cuckoo land or are just thick

I’ve always worked in the private sector but this post is beyond pathetic.

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

You cannot bring yourself to admit it is a great night for the Tories & Brexit supporters though?

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That sort of goes without saying.. they are happy won !

 

[Walsgrave]

BBC reporter to working class Conservative voter: "So is your vote on loan to Boris Johnson?"

Thick working class voter: "Yes until he delivers"

Happy to be corrected but surely that should be 'till he fucks up' or something similar. To be fair though, I no longer have high expectations about such people to string a sentence together.

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

I'm sorry if your family may struggle and I don't wish ill on anybody. I just find it difficult to have sympathy for people who are bringing themselves and their family into potential struggles all in the name of Brexit.

Leave really does mean leave to some people and they have lost track of what really matters.

You can’t see the wood for the trees

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

BBC reporter to working class Conservative voter: "So is your vote on loan to Boris Johnson?"

Thick working class voter: "Yes until he delivers"

Happy to be corrected but surely that should be 'till he fucks up' or something similar. To be fair though, I no longer have high expectations about such people to string a sentence together.

In that Sun video you had the one guy who votes Labour because everyone else did. Then there were the others repeating the headlines that the press have sent Corbyn’s way for 4 years.

I can’t think of anyone else who has been singularly targeted for abuse by the press quite like that. He needs to go right now, but the mudslingers won through.

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

I hope we see a bit more of the real Johnson now so people can make a proper decision on him, good or bad. He was obviously kept well out of the way as he had a major fuck up in him !

Personally I don’t think he’s the evil right winger he’s been made out to be by some (lily and stormzy)...loose with the truth, possibly, very ‘political’ but I get the feeling deep down he’s not anywhere near as bad as he’s been made out to be by some commentators.

He bullied and threatened his girlfriend a few months ago. How many children does he have? His incredibly weslthy stuck up family family don't really like him and when he talks he makes up mumbo jumbo off the cuff soundbites. Yeah great prime minister.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The story from Bolsover:

General election 2019: How Dennis Skinner lost his Bolsover seat

Incredibly frustrating stuff to read. No matter what the Tory says those constituents spat in Skinner’s face yesterday.

 

[Skybluefaz]

5 live were in Burnley earlier, asking voters why they went Tory. Both said it wasn't particularly Brexit but one voter, who was going to go Brexit party and had previously voted ukip explained that he would continue to vote tory if they 'kept their promise'. If not Brexit, then I presume it's anti immigration. As much as I did not want to think that way this morning, it is worrying that people still think it's the immigrants holding them back. That absolute c**t Hopkins has been all over it on Twitter. It's really fucking disappointing.

 

[SeaSeeEffCee]

You are not that naive surely. As much as I call you a bellend from time to time I know you’ve got your head screwed on.

This very night I’ve heard immigration as the very reason told directly to my face several times.
City arms, Albany club. Friday evening.

“Not you though mate”

Lad who sits next to me at work's girlfriend rang him in tears at lunch today because someone high up at her company told her that he was glad that "her lot' couldn't vote else they'd have fucked the country up more than they already have. She's from Bulgaria and has lived here since she was 10. Lad told her to file a HR complaint but the geezer was pretty high up and she was too scared it would get her into trouble.

 

[Astute]

No one can mitigate for that kind of logic. I heard lots of people saying that didn’t like Corbyn - but never could articulate why. At least on here those that disliked him explained their reasons why and you could understand - even if you fundamentally disagreed.
Perhaps the next leader won’t have that to overcome, perhaps someone will dig dirt on whoever it is and we’ll have that battle instead.

The Tories will at least have to own the next 5 years. Johnson has his majority... and if he fucks it up he won’t have anyone else to blame this time.

The problem was that people just like yourself couldn't bring yourself to see the facts.it was much easier to insult someone than consider the truth.

Corbyn was an absolute disaster for Labour. But too many constantly made excuses for him. And anyone who disagreed was there to be insulted. But the bloke just wasn't electable in any way.

We need to move along. We need to find a leader that is likeable. We need someone strong yet who doesn't want to demolish everything. Someone without skeletons in the closet stretching back 40 years or more.

At least the discussion on Corbyn being the right person to lead Labour should now be finished.

 

[Sick Boy]

The story from Bolsover:

General election 2019: How Dennis Skinner lost his Bolsover seat

Incredibly frustrating stuff to read. No matter what the Tory says those constituents spat in Skinner’s face yesterday.

And they keep going on about no money being spent on the area and then actually go and vote for the Tories.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

And they keep going on about no money being spent on the area and then actually go and vote for the Tories.

That beggars belief. They don’t invest in here so I voted for them
Huh!!!!

 

[SBAndy]

This is why I speak of northern representation through the next leadership of the Labour Party. Don’t get me wrong, I understand that the Tories haven’t had to do that on this occasion but the swell of opinion around the fact that the Tories will help these northern communities out more needs to be fought quickly, and what better way than to bring in someone relatable for the electorate up there. May be a cheap game but definitely worth a try.

 

[skybluetony176]

5 live were in Burnley earlier, asking voters why they went Tory. Both said it wasn't particularly Brexit but one voter, who was going to go Brexit party and had previously voted ukip explained that he would continue to vote tory if they 'kept their promise'. If not Brexit, then I presume it's anti immigration. As much as I did not want to think that way this morning, it is worrying that people still think it's the immigrants holding them back. That absolute c**t Hopkins has been all over it on Twitter. It's really fucking disappointing.

It still absolutely amazes me how ill informed some people are on this subject. I was talking to one of my work colleagues on the Australia based points system yesterday and he’s convinced it will work because we’ll police it. I asked him how and he said that if someone is allowed to come in to pick fruit we’ll check up on them making sure that they’re working where they said they are and make sure they’ll leave. I asked how and he was stumped. I explained to him that we could police EU immigration to some extent now but have chosen not to because of the cost, why is that going to change? Because we will was the answer. With what? There’s no allowance in the Tory budget for reversing the cuts in policing as it is, where’s the extra money coming from for this extra policing? He was stumped. I then went on to tell him that most illegal immigration in the country is from visa overstay. He didn’t believe me so I showed him several reports on it. He genuinely thought that all illegal immigration in this country was through people smuggling and people arriving clinging to ferries, in rubber dinghies etc from the continent. Ignorance is bliss. Hence Boris won.

 

[skybluetony176]

The positive from the election is that at the next election we’ll have left the EU and it will be 14 years since the last labour government so when the Tories continuation of austerity budget delivers a continuation of a crisis in the NHS, a continuation of a crisis in policing, a continuation of a crisis in social care, a continuation of a crisis in the prison service, a continuation of growing inequality, a continuation of the use in food banks etc. basically everything that’s rotten about the country that won’t change they’ll have to hold this government to account instead of blaming the EU, Labour or the 2008 world recession. I won’t hold my breath, the plebs will still be lapping up.

 

[covmark]

Plebs and thickos. Jesus christ maybe we should put an IQ limit on voters.
A lot of bitter sore losers on this thread.

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[Otis]

The problem was that people just like yourself couldn't bring yourself to see the facts.it was much easier to insult someone than consider the truth.

Corbyn was an absolute disaster for Labour. But too many constantly made excuses for him. And anyone who disagreed was there to be insulted. But the bloke just wasn't electable in any way.

We need to move along. We need to find a leader that is likeable. We need someone strong yet who doesn't want to demolish everything. Someone without skeletons in the closet stretching back 40 years or more.

At least the discussion on Corbyn being the right person to lead Labour should now be finished.

It wasn't rocket science. Too many people either didn't like, or distrusted Corbyn and Swinson made a massive mistake with Stop Brexit.

I think the Lib Dems might have done quite well without that vote losing policy.

 

[Otis]

Plebs and thickos. Jesus christ maybe we should put an IQ limit on voters.
A lot of bitter sore losers on this thread.

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I'll be okay then, cos my IQ is 90, so not far off the full hundred

 

[Astute]

It wasn't rocket science. To many people either didn't like, or distrusted Corbyn and Swinson made a massive mistake with Stop Brexit.

I think the Lib Dems might have done quite well without that vote losing policy.

Wasn't rocket science yet most of those you totally agree with on this subject called it wring and you kept jumping 9n the posts which called it as it is yet towards the date said Labour would fail.

Yes I know.

Yet back in reality I am in another EU country now until next year. Yet I am supposed to want us out of the EU. My views are not allowed although they have been shown to be correct again.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

This is why I speak of northern representation through the next leadership of the Labour Party. Don’t get me wrong, I understand that the Tories haven’t had to do that on this occasion but the swell of opinion around the fact that the Tories will help these northern communities out more needs to be fought quickly, and what better way than to bring in someone relatable for the electorate up there. May be a cheap game but definitely worth a try.

Who, though? The purge of the shadow cabinet led to a fauir few being promoted too quickly / over promoted.

 

[Astute]

I'll be okay then, cos my IQ is 90, so not far off the full hundred

And those who accuse others of having a low IQ that can't see the reality of the situation must have a high IQ themselves....

 

[Grendel]

Plebs and thickos. Jesus christ maybe we should put an IQ limit on voters.
A lot of bitter sore losers on this thread.

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We now live in an era of total denial

People like Caroline Lucas frantically posting everywhere that the conservatives lost, there is no mandate to leave the EU lets protest - it’s just a joke

Lucas wants a referendum now on the voting system - that’s odd - we had one and she lost - oh have another so I win.

Labour are kidding themselves it was not Corbyn that lost the election but one policy and they really won on policy - keep the policy and keep Jeremy then

 

[SBAndy]

Who, though? The purge of the shadow cabinet led to a fauir few being promoted too quickly / over promoted.

Well Andy Burnham has moved from 80/1 to 33/1 on the betting front, though I appreciate he doesn’t currently have a seat in the Commons and I was asking yesterday whether the Labour policies and processes mean he can or can’t stand. That’s who I’d be backing if he can be persuaded.

 

[Otis]

We now live in an era of total denial

People like Caroline Lucas frantically posting everywhere that the conservatives lost, there is no mandate to leave the EU lets protest - it’s just a joke

Lucas wants a referendum now on the voting system - that’s odd - we had one and she lost - oh have another so I win.

Labour are kidding themselves it was not Corbyn that lost the election but one policy and they really won on policy - keep the policy and keep Jeremy then

So many Labour voters said they just couldn't come out an put an X on their ballot paper because of Corbyn.