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That is what I meant, a black/BAME person calling a white person a fat pig. I somehow doubt it would generate the same outrage, despite white people regularly being compared to pigs due to skin colour.
If it was the bloke from Wycombe and the pigs image was a black breed it probably would be accused as such though it may be trying to lampoon obesity and would look a bit stupid if it was an illustration in pink.
I think the racist coppers murdering people because of the colour of their skin is more of a problem, plus wider spread systemic racism and people who refuse to accept their own privilege are more of an issue if I'm honest.I'm sorry, but stuff like this is exactly why Racism is taking so long to be eradicated from society.
"Things like this?" Crime you mean? The perpetrators should be dealt with in accordance with the law. If it carries a heavier punishment because they were trying to imply a racist angle then fair enough but I have no clue on law to that level. What are your thoughts?One thing this has reminded me off, is in New York there is a street scam that relies heavily on Racism.
Basically, a large group of Black men/lads walk up to you and say "Shake a black man's hand".
It's obvious they are trying to earn money from something (this occasion it was "selling" their CD's, so it puts you in a position of if you say "No, not interested" will they attack you verbally calling you racist etc or do you just hand over some change straight away?
Be interested to hear people's thoughts on things like this?
I think the racist coppers murdering people because of the colour of their skin is more of a problem, plus wider spread systemic racism and people who refuse to accept their own privilege are more of an issue if I'm honest.
It won't be eradicated when people won't / can't discuss things without throwing stuff like "their own privilege" about.
It needs honest discussions, while nobody wants to say "That man was a c**t" if they were black and would rather say "The police chose him because of his skin colour" then things won't get sorted.
Behave. Don't be thinking privilege is a catch all term for white people cos it's more than that. It clearly does exist though. You can't have an honest discussion without recognizing it.It won't be eradicated when people won't / can't discuss things without throwing stuff like "their own privilege" about.
It needs honest discussions, while nobody wants to say "That man was a c**t" if they were black and would rather say "The police chose him because of his skin colour" then things won't get sorted.
"Things like this?" Crime you mean? The perpetrators should be dealt with in accordance with the law. If it carries a heavier punishment because they were trying to imply a racist angle then fair enough but I have no clue on law to that level. What are your thoughts?
Fraud I'd say if they are extorting money out of people under those circumstances. You don't think it's criminal behavior?What crime have they commited?
Of course, been saying all through the thread honest discussions need to be had.Behave. Don't be thinking privilege is a catch all term for white people cos it's more than that. It clearly does exist though. You can't have an honest discussion without recognizing it.
Of course, been saying all through the thread honest discussions need to be had.
When however there are people who want to defend horrible cunts just because they are black and try to pin it on the police (completely diluting the whole argument about actual racist police) then things aren't going to change.
Fraud I'd say if they are extorting money out of people under those circumstances. You don't think it's criminal behavior?
If you remove racial profiling (Which to be fair as I pointed out earlier the MET are trying to do) that avenue is closed for anyone trying to make excuses for criminal behaviour.
It only has traction because prejudice exists and some people will try to use that to their advantage.
If I were a professional footballer I'd consider being called a water buffalo at a football match as a refenence to my physique and speed , not my skin colour. People on here jumped up and down and concluded that Akinfenwa was insulted for some reason because a water buffalo appear to be black . Idris Elba clearly hasn't an issue.
There's no comparison to being called a paedophile in th context you talk about . If someone white (as they woud be ) played Peter Sutcliffe in a film are you saying i'd have no right not to be offended to not be called a seriel killer? . In that case all white males can be called paedophiles, murdererd, drug barons, psychpaths, etc, given all the films made since WW2. Neither can any black people.
Your example is ridiculous
Why do you keep using this expression " right to be offended" ? It makes no sense.The point you made was one black man took offence to being called something. Another black man played that animal in a film. Therefore no black man could consider it racist. And by lumping all black people in together it makes the inference potentially racist, assuming if one black man is ok with something they all should be.
Would you make the same sweeping generalisation about a white person. Using the example above if a white person is offended at being called a pig but someone else voiced Napoleon in 1984 or Babe they have no excuse for being offended?
Doesn't have to be about race either. Same example with a fat person. Fat person called a pig gets offended but a fat person voiced a pig in a film so therefore the fat person has no right to be offended.
It's a generalisation that doesn't stand up.
Why do you keep using this expression " right to be offended" ? It makes no sense.
Its all about race isn't it ? Its not about being fat . Unless you're a fat bastard.
I'm sorry, but stuff like this is exactly why Racism is taking so long to be eradicated from society.
How about #researchwhatyouretalkingaboutsoyoudontclaimracismisokasablackactorboicedatalkinkinbuffaloinacartoonSo you put the case that because Akinfenwa wasn't called a fat c**t that it must therefore be racist ? Then you go on google and look into finding as much as you can about water buffalo to play the race card. As lots of people did. You even found out all about Idris Elba's heritage which you proudly spouted.
Shall I do a hashtag for you ?
No they don’t. Fat pig is a common phrase and has nothing to do with colour, you’re inventing that. What next? Only ginger people can be cunning as a fox because a fox has red fur.I'm certain some people ar just on the wind
I'd disagree. People usually call white people "pigs" because of the comparison to white people's "pink" skin. Surely if calling Akinfenwa a fat water buffalo is racist, that is racist too no?
Why specifically a water buffalo? Yeah exactly, surely the right-wing, racist Fleetwood player should be calling him the N word? Unless either A) it wasn't said at all (considering Akinfenwa did not actually hear it, but learned of it after the game) or B) he didn't mean it in a racial way, more of him having the physique he uniquely possesses for a football player.
I have literally not once heard a white person being labelled a pig due to skin colour. For starters as the post you’re replying to already points out pigs come in an array of different colours, some are even multiple colours. The same can’t be said of water buffaloes to my knowledge and apparently knowing 2 facts about water buffaloes has made me the oracle on the subject.That is what I meant, a black/BAME person calling a white person a fat pig. I somehow doubt it would generate the same outrage, despite white people regularly being compared to pigs due to skin colour.
You've lost the argument . You've nowhere else to go. Looking for racism that doesn't exist. You are an absolute disgrace. You label people as racists / right wing scum etc but you've been found out for what you really are.How about #researchwhatyouretalkingaboutsoyoudontclaimracismisokasablackactorboicedatalkinkinbuffaloinacartoon
That is what I meant, a black/BAME person calling a white person a fat pig. I somehow doubt it would generate the same outrage, despite white people regularly being compared to pigs due to skin colour.
I’ve never, ever heard anyone call someone a pig due to their skin colour, you are either lying or just plain stupid.
It's gammon now isn't it?
You've lost the argument . You've nowhere else to go. Looking for racism that doesn't exist. You are an absolute disgrace. You label people as racists / right wing scum etc but you've been found out for what you really are.
#findsomethingthatisntthere
Pig is a versatile one as it covers rudeness, chauvinism, greed and being disgusting, but never heard of it being used with racial connotation at all
I may be completely wrong here as I lost interest a bit when it got into talking animals- but didn’t Akinfenwa initially say it was racism before taking control of it and turning it into a joke? If that’s the case then whether or not you see it as racism I don’t understand how the guy is an ‘absolute disgrace’
no I don’t think so, a gammon (at least to my understanding) is more generally prejudiced about most things- climate change, sexual orientation, the indisputable greatness of Britain, obsessed with the war even though none of them lifted a finger, dislike of immigrants and distrust of foreigners, often daily mail/ express readers, pro brexit, generally 50 plus- look at CVDs avatar and you’ll see plenty of ‘em
you wouldn’t immediately call someone a gammon if they were a racist, you’d call them a racist- a gammon wants to go back to the good old days of the Empire and hates anything which even mildly disputes their way of viewing the world, which is based on how things used to be & incredibly insular.
I don’t use the word any more as obviously it was offending a few people
One thing this has reminded me off, is in New York there is a street scam that relies heavily on Racism.
Basically, a large group of Black men/lads walk up to you and say "Shake a black man's hand".
It's obvious they are trying to earn money from something (this occasion it was "selling" their CD's, so it puts you in a position of if you say "No, not interested" will they attack you verbally calling you racist etc or do you just hand over some change straight away?
Be interested to hear people's thoughts on things like this?
no I don’t think so, a gammon (at least to my understanding) is more generally prejudiced about most things- climate change, sexual orientation, the indisputable greatness of Britain, obsessed with the war even though none of them lifted a finger, dislike of immigrants and distrust of foreigners, often daily mail/ express readers, pro brexit, generally 50 plus- look at CVDs avatar and you’ll see plenty of ‘em
you wouldn’t immediately call someone a gammon if they were a racist, you’d call them a racist- a gammon wants to go back to the good old days of the Empire and hates anything which even mildly disputes their way of viewing the world, which is based on how things used to be & incredibly insular.
I don’t use the word any more as obviously it was offending a few people
It refers to their skin colour.
It refers to their skin colour.
The article actually says that actually, ie being a ‘gammon’ does not denote you were born of a certain race, it denotes that your beliefs, choices and outlook on life end up with you in a position where you’re branded a gammon. I wouldn’t give a toss if I was called it, but it is a bit insulting I guess, not racist though, after all there is no naturally bright pink skinned race.OK so what about Trump the Cheeto?
Is that cool because it’s artificial? Could gammon skin be classed as a lifestyle choice? I mean not all old white men have gammon skin. I assume it’s a result of choices. So does that make it ok?
The article actually says that actually, ie being a ‘gammon’ does not denote you were born of a certain race, it denotes that your beliefs, choices and outlook on life end up with you in a position where you’re branded a gammon. I wouldn’t give a toss if I was called it, but it is a bit insulting I guess, not racist though, after all there is no naturally bright pink skinned race.
Yeah but let’s be honest. As white guys, we’re pretty hard to genuinely offend with racist abuse. Louis CK does a good bit on this.
I think I’m happy gammon isn’t racist. Probably not helpful to political debate, but oh so accurate.
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