Alan Dugdales Moustache
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Yes, WTF is that ?
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Alan Dugdales Moustache
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You would be offended though, wouldn't you ?
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Brighton Sky Blue
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A very interesting faux documentary film imagined if the South won the US civil war. At the end it has a whole list of racist stereotypes persisting in commercial products, eg Uncle Ben’s and Aunt Jemima’s. Film is an hour and a half but worth watching
chiefdave
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Isn't it about slaves wanting to be free or something along those lines? Sure this was brought up a few years ago and nothing was done.
skybluetony176
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It’s a complicated one as the lyrics aren’t racist (as far as I understand it) but the song is about slavery and descend from former slaves the ancestors of slaves. It’s also a religious song. Biggest issue is a load of mainly white men drunkenly singing it at a Rugby match is very discontented from the meaning of the song. Does that mean it should be banned? Don’t know the answer to that one, I suspect it won’t be easy to police at an England international either so it will still be sung anyway so that begs the question what’s the point in banning it in the first place. Be better to use it as an opportunity to educate on the subject of slavery. Maybe the RFU can have an explanation of its origins in every program? Honestly don’t know the answer to this one but in many ways it seems banning it to me will just lose an opportunity to educate. Besides if you banned every disconnected songs being sung by crowds at sporting events that would stop a lot of songs being sung on the terraces and in the stadiums.
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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I remember Newcastle United fans at Highfield road singing, to a man
"Town full of Pakis...you're just a town full of Pakis"......etc
The whole ground heard it. The police did nothing.
They'll do nothing at all if it's a sufficient number singing anything. On your own and it's a different ball game.
skybluetony176
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Yeah, that one is a lot more clear cut. Definitely racist.
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Well, I'd always understood Swing Low to be a song born of slavery, and mournful one at that (the arms of the saviour being the only way out); and I guess it surprises me to think the majority wouldn't be aware. But I also see that some might think it misplaced cultural appropriation. That it's being discussed is a good thing.
More generally on the wider discussions that are happening around the subject of European colonial slavery, I do however find it odd that whilst colonialism was still being touted around in schools in the mid-sixties, the teaching about horrors of colonialism and slavery was firmly in school curriculums by the time we got into the 70s. That and the very many popular tv series and films around the subject gets me wondering a bit where the education gap is or has occurred.
More generally on the wider discussions that are happening around the subject of European colonial slavery, I do however find it odd that whilst colonialism was still being touted around in schools in the mid-sixties, the teaching about horrors of colonialism and slavery was firmly in school curriculums by the time we got into the 70s. That and the very many popular tv series and films around the subject gets me wondering a bit where the education gap is or has occurred.
RegTheDonk
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It's sung at rugby matches in good faith. Such a shame that it's been promoted as offensive as it will probably mean the far right will adopt it on their marches.
skybluetony176
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I have to say that I’m very wary of cultural appropriation especially where things like music are concerned. Where do you draw the line? White people can’t buy/listen to hip hop and rap, black people cant buy/listen to death metal. It’s a slippery slope and to be honest the more I read about the history of this song the more I think it would be wrong to deem it wrong to sing it at a Rugby match on the basis that it’s racist. I’m really struggling to find an angle that it is and when you look into the history of the Jubilee singers, the Fisk University and the people behind the Fisk University and what they did I’m thinking it might actually be an insult to stop singing it.
It’s got people talking about it though which means people can be educated, which is a good thing.
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skybluetony176
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That’s a fair point. They have a history of nicking things and enforcing a new identity on them. Especially on the musical theme, thinking specifically about skinhead.
Ring Of Steel
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Katie Hopkins permanently banned from Twitter 
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Another example of the left shutting down free speech.
Even if she is a tart.
Even if she is a tart.
Ring Of Steel
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So you think the left were the only ones offended by her?
stupot07
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So Earlsdon but got to disagree. Her tweets were offensive and inciting hatred, often discriminatory and should not be given a platform.
It's got nothing to do with left or right politics.
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Grendel
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Come on - she’d have given Himmler a run for his money. It’s more also to do with the fact she’s making a career from just chucking out stupid views to cause a stir
Fair enough if you think that and I sympathise with no platforming not being a solution to anything. There are degrees of no platforming depending on how you interpret the term.
I don't necessarily agree with you on defining it as 'the left' though. With respect to what? Many of her followers are economically on the left, feeling they have been 'left behind' to the forces of economic change/globalisation.
skybluetony176
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She’s said some vile shit over the last few weeks even by her standards. I can only assume that she was daring Twitter to do it because BLM was was making the attention seeking potty mouthed narrow minded moron even less relevant.
Sorry but this is a deliberate case of playing the victim.
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Ring Of Steel
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she serves no purpose- there was no attempt to have any kind of constructive debate, it was just non stop abuse at anyone non white English, non white American or non Jewish. It was always going to happen eventually as her entire reason for being was to stir up hatred, and she was having to ramp it up in order to try and stay relevant- looks like the Rashford thing finally did for her. Hopefully Vance goes next.
clint van damme
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I don't 5hink the tweet she got banned for was that bad by her standards.
Also someone retreived a tweet from her asking for hangdouts and she got made to look a right twat.
Got to say I'm info.fortable with this and she'll probably end up on one of the numerous extreme far right forums that are cropping up where no one will ever question her.
Also someone retreived a tweet from her asking for hangdouts and she got made to look a right twat.
Got to say I'm info.fortable with this and she'll probably end up on one of the numerous extreme far right forums that are cropping up where no one will ever question her.
Ring Of Steel
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I respectfully think you’re missing the point.
skybluetony176
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The big danger of pinning this on the left is also that means anything that isn’t far right is left. I know plenty of people who are centre right and further who consider her a poor excuse for a human being, are genuinely scared that she’s been allowed to bring children into the world and pollute it further, see her as part of the problem not the cure and will celebrating this joyous news as much as any “lefty”.
skybluetony176
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That would only work if all lives are on an equal footing already.
Sbarcher
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Don't think so. Was right behind it but now seems to be a rolling bandwagon. Even Greta Thunberg is in on the act.
When the Roman Empire ruled most of Europe, all were slaves. Do I blame Italians for that? No we move on and make a better place.
I can't be responsible for the actions of my forebears, in the same way Germans cannot now be held responsible for the actions of Hitler and the Nazis.
Man has lived off the back of fellow man since time began. There will always be an Elite wrapped up in some form or other.
Do we blame every British Government and Monarch as it happened on their watch?
Of course it's shocking what happened in those times, but don't blame me!
Ring Of Steel
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that just makes no sense whatsoever
clint van damme
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I think it's more to do with a man being killed by police in the last few weeks and although it was in America it's shone a light on worldwide racism which has gone on for generations.
No one is saying we should be held responsible for the sins of our forebears but we can try to right their prejudices which are still evident today.
skybluetony176
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Not sure what the long lasting effect is of white slavery under the Romans are. Certainly I don’t feel repressed following decades of institutional racism towards white Europeans from Italians as a leftover from the Roman Empire. Certainly no Italians going around expecting a Roman privilege.
David O'Day
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It does if you decode it, the use of "Greta Thunberg" is telling.
Once decoded it simply reads "GAMMON"
Nick
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Oh dear.
It's people like you and Ros that stop discussions being had and people learning from it going forward.
David O'Day
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It's not a discussion though is it. It was rambling with as Brian Moore calls it the "twat detection device" Greta Thunberg thrown in there.
I mean what does "Even Greta Thunberg is in on the act" even mean? Is she not allowed to think racism is bad?
Ring Of Steel
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He’s right though. Coming out with stuff about the Roman Empire & Greta Thurnberg in relation to this, weird- same with whoever it was that said it’s a lifestyle choice for people not progressing in their lives as they should. It’s all around you, everywhere, every day- if discussion on a football forum is needed to learn that then... wow.