Germany *again* (8 Viewers)

[SBT]

There is a rule in Islam where you can lie to progress the cause.

Didn’t know we had an Islamic scholar in the house. Which verse of the Quran are you referring to?

 

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[eastwoodsdustman]

Why a Christmas market a long way from where he lived?
Surely going to the German parliament and trying if he was anti government or his local mosque on Friday afternoon would have fitted his beliefs and taken less planning if he was anti islam.

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

Didn’t know we had an Islamic scholar in the house. Which verse of the Quran are you referring ?

Taqqiya - have a read for yourself.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Why a Christmas market a long way from where he lived?
Surely going to the German parliament and trying if he was anti government or his local mosque on Friday afternoon would have fitted his beliefs and taken less planning if he was anti islam.

You speak like someone willing to drive into people is a rational actor

 

[SBT]

Taqqiya - have a read for yourself.

Did you learn about that a few hours ago on Twitter, or were you taught about it in mosque, brother?

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

You speak like someone willing to drive into people is a rational actor

Its clearly not rational but is any terror event?
Either way he has some messed up beliefs whether its anti christian, anti west or anti islam.

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

Did you learn about that a few hours ago on Twitter, or were you taught about it in mosque, brother?

Not on twitter and never go down the youtube rabbit holes thanks.

 

[David O'Day]

Taqqiya - have a read for yourself.

That's just the minority S'hia muslims hiding themselves from the majority Sunni muslims

The Qurʾān actually only states that believers should not show preference to unbelievers as friends, unless it is to protect themselves from them

 

[fernandopartridge]

There are bits now coming out of his recent support for Hamas and connections to shia extremists.
There is a rule in Islam where you can lie to progress the cause. 20 years is a long time but depends how committed someone Is I suppose.
I’m sure there will be more coming out (maybe not on the bbc though).
Go with an open mind as either could be right.

If he's from Saudi they're predominantly sunni muslim

 

[Harry Krishner]

Lo L!

I'll bring any thorny philosophical questions on Islam to you then, @David O'Day

 

[shmmeee]

Taqqiya - have a read for yourself.

Had a read. It allows a Muslim to hide their faith where life or property are at risk and where no danger to religion would occur.

Not sure how you think this applies. But maybe @SBT can fill me in if I’ve got something wrong.

 

[SBT]

Had a read. It allows a Muslim to hide their faith where life or property are at risk and where no danger to religion would occur.

Not sure how you think this applies. But maybe @SBT can fill me in if I’ve got something wrong.

Happy to confirm that I know sweet fuck all about the Islamic concept of Taqqiya, and certainly wouldn’t pretend to know any different for the purposes of this thread!

 

[Sick Boy]

Happy to confirm that I know sweet fuck all about the Islamic concept of Taqqiya, and certainly wouldn’t pretend to know any different for the purposes of this thread!

Why have you been appointed the go to person here?

 

[shmmeee]

Happy to confirm that I know sweet fuck all about the Islamic concept of Taqqiya, and certainly wouldn’t pretend to know any different for the purposes of this thread!

Id say ask your wife but apparently she could be lying.

 

[shmmeee]

Why have you been appointed the go to person here?

Ges married to a Muslim woman I believe so at least has some passing experience with the faith beyond reading Tommy Robinson tweets.

 

[Sick Boy]

Ges married to a Muslim woman I believe so at least has some passing experience with the faith beyond reading Tommy Robinson tweets.

I’ve had a couple of long term relationships over the years with Muslim women and probably know as much as you. A lot of Muslims are as Muslim as you and I are Christian.

 

[David O'Day]

Lo L!

I'll bring any thorny philosophical questions on Islam to you then, @David O'Day

please don't

 

[David O'Day]

I’ve had a couple of long term relationships over the years with Muslim women and probably know as much as you. A lot of Muslims are as Muslim as you and I are Christian.

almost like not all people are same

mad innit

 

[Harry Krishner]

I’ve had a couple of long term relationships over the years with Muslim women and probably know as much as you. A lot of Muslims are as Muslim as you and I are Christian.

Good for you. Quite difficult to do normally.

 

[Harry Krishner]

An illuminating article on this topic:

Magdeburg suspect prompts more questions than answers

In such polarised times, there is a strong temptation to interpret acts of violence through the lens of one’s own biases. The attack on a Christmas market in the German city of Magdeburg yesterday evening, which killed five and injured over 200 more, has revealed this impulse in the starkest...

unherd.com

 

[SBT]

Good for you. Quite difficult to do normally.

For some people, I’m sure it is. In my experience it’s normally fine.

 

[SBT]

An illuminating article on this topic:

Magdeburg suspect prompts more questions than answers

In such polarised times, there is a strong temptation to interpret acts of violence through the lens of one’s own biases. The attack on a Christmas market in the German city of Magdeburg yesterday evening, which killed five and injured over 200 more, has revealed this impulse in the starkest...

unherd.com

Remarkable to see you’re keeping such an open mind on this particular attack - where did this newly-found intellectual curiosity come from all of a sudden? Truly amazing.

 

[Harry Krishner]

My impression was that Muslim women aren't allowed to date/marry "out"?

David Bowie aside.

 

[SBT]

My impression was that Muslim women aren't allowed to date/marry "out"?

I think they were just being polite, mate.

 

[Harry Krishner]

Remarkable to see you’re keeping such an open mind on this particular attack - where did this newly-found intellectual curiosity come from all of a sudden? Truly amazing.

Fuck off.

I'm genuinely interested in establishing what exactly motivated the killer.

I have a very strong suspicion I already know, but keeping an open mind anyway.

 

[shmmeee]

I’ve had a couple of long term relationships over the years with Muslim women and probably know as much as you. A lot of Muslims are as Muslim as you and I are Christian.

Sure but although im not at all Christian (I was raised atheist), I have a better passing understanding of the rituals of Catholicism than your average data engineer in Mumbai might.

 

[SBT]

Fuck off.

I'm genuinely interested in establishing what exactly motivated the killer.

I have a very strong suspicion I already know, but keeping an open mind anyway.

Have you offered your services to the German police?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

X now claiming they can hear alu akhbar!!
I can’t it’s just bizarre

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

Irrespective of the religious/ideological rabbit hole down which this thread has disappeared, it was a massive security cock-up by the German police. I was at a market in Northern France a couple of weeks ago, and let me tell you, there is no way any vehicle attack was getting anywhere near either of two huge adjacent market places. There were concrete barriers on nearly all access points, and the others, which were emergency access routes (as this attack exploited), were covered by movable barriers which are capable of stopping a truck, and all manned by groups of four armed police or military.
Magdeburg seemingly left their emergency routes open to attack.

 

[wingy]

Irrespective of the religious/ideological rabbit hole down which this thread has disappeared, it was a massive security cock-up by the German police. I was at a market in Northern France a couple of weeks ago, and let me tell you, there is no way any vehicle attack was getting anywhere near either of two huge adjacent market places. There were concrete barriers on nearly all access points, and the others, which were emergency access routes (as this attack exploited), were covered by movable barriers which are capable of stopping a truck, and all manned by groups of four armed police or military.
Magdeburg seemingly left their emergency routes open to attack.

That is some falling if it's accurate, guess there will be questions.