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fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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Nick said:
If it's a hatred of Muslim immigrants then you would think Eid or something would be the target.

"I'm really going to show that I hate the Muslim immigrants in Germany by ploughing through a crowd of people at a Christmas market"

(Just to disclaim, of course somebody ploughing through a crowd anywhere like this is terrorism and the perpetrators should be terrorised in return, my point is just the logic and thought process)
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Evo1883 said:
Still can't understand why people at a Christmas market would be the target of somebody who is anti Islam
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You could say the same about any terrorist attack, it's terrorism. It is a message to the government by attacking its people.
 
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SBT

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Nick said:
The mental health issues again?

Hope he gets the help he needs, praying for him.

I think finding out motivation is important. Far too easy to say "yeah he's mental" and move on.. then the next time something happens.
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If his motivation is found to be a catastrophic breakdown in mental health, then personally I would want to look into the reasons behind that and try to stop someone else going down the same hole. But crack on with moaning about Romanian gypsies if you think that’s a better idea.
 
Nick

Nick

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SBT said:
If his motivation is found to be a catastrophic breakdown in mental health, then personally I would want to look into the reasons behind that and try to stop someone else going down the same hole. But crack on with moaning about Romanian gypsies if you think that’s a better idea.
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So his motivation isn't pointless if it's mental health but it is if his political / religious beliefs? 🤣
 
fernandopartridge

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Evo1883 said:
Ok fair enough ..

It's not hard to see why people assume things though is it ? Most of our lives have been spent watching most terror attacks be perpetrated by islamists
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I know, it's not an unreasonable assumption based on what's happened in recent years in Germany. The problem is that when it turns out that it isn't a Muslim perpetrator there are some that refuse to accept their assumption was wrong.
 
shmmeee

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SBT said:
I think that while there are reputable sources saying this guy clearly had a strong dislike for Islam, it’s way too soon to say what the motive is behind this.
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Well he’s either Islamist or he’s right wing, they’re the only people who do this.
 
shmmeee

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Nick

Nick

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fernandopartridge said:
I know, it's not an unreasonable assumption based on what's happened in recent years in Germany. The problem is that when it turns out that it isn't a Muslim perpetrator there are some that refuse to accept their assumption was wrong.
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Which was also said about the choir boy.

There will be shit loads more coming out wont there.

It's fucking tragic people don't go home from having fun at this time of year.
 
Ccfcisparks

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His political and religious ideology is literally there documented on his Twitter and people are still thinking it could be different
 
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SBT

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Nick said:
So his motivation isn't pointless if it's mental health but it is if his political / religious beliefs? 🤣
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You can use political or religious beliefs to justify anything, but it might well be nonsense, and focusing squarely on that aspect of his motivation might not help you stop the next one.

In this particular case I have to wonder whether this attack was designed to elicit a specific reaction from a certain group of people.
 
Ccfcisparks

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Everything on Twitter I’ve seen was that his postings were anti Islam?

Im assuming people are going to believe they are fake or doctored
 
Nick

Nick

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SBT said:
You can use political or religious beliefs to justify anything, but it might well be nonsense, and focusing squarely on that aspect of his motivation might not help you stop the next one.

In this particular case I have to wonder whether this attack was designed to elicit a specific reaction from a certain group of people.
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It's like I said about the Southport c**t but it was just palmed away as mental health. Same as the one in Nottingham, same as the guy who tried to kill the soldier.

I don't think it should only focus on one aspect.

I think there's a pattern about "stopping the next one" though. It comes down to who's allowed into countries in the first place.
 
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SBT

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Nick said:
It's like I said about the Southport c**t but it was just palmed away as mental health. Same as the one in Nottingham, same as the guy who tried to kill the soldier.

I don't think it should only focus on one aspect.

I think there's a pattern about "stopping the next one" though.
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So to be clear, you don’t think the Southport killer, or the Lee Rigby killer etc were suffering from mental health problems?
 
Nick

Nick

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SBT said:
So to be clear, you don’t think the Southport killer, or the Lee Rigby killer etc were suffering from mental health problems?
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Well of course they aren't right in the head.

The issues are deeper though, aren't they?
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Nick said:
Well of course they aren't right in the head.

The issues are deeper though, aren't they?
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There’s been crazies killing peoples forever. Most of these these days are lone wolf attacks, so it’s not like we can take on the group behind them. People of all political beliefs are radicalised online and the crazier among them end up shooting CEOs or ramming cars into Christmas markets or killing little girls. And that’s just this year with three wildly different ideologies with the only thread seemingly being overly online.
 
Nick

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I also know it's bad but the thread title... I found myself saying "ole ole" after when it beeped my phone :(

This was before I knew about it and the content.
 
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Macca

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Fuck me not only have we got Islamists trying to kill us at Xmas markets now we anti Islamists trying to do the same. I'll stick with Amazon
 
ccfc922

ccfc922

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fernandopartridge said:
I know, it's not an unreasonable assumption based on what's happened in recent years in Germany. The problem is that when it turns out that it isn't a Muslim perpetrator there are some that refuse to accept their assumption was wrong.
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Just like those that dance with glee when it's not a Muslim.

Personally couldn't care who's done it, but it's a reoccurring theme within Europe at the minute. Like people have said, they were desperate to pretend it was a choir boy and Christian with the Southport attacks.

Anyway, more importantly, the death toll is low thank God, considering what happened.
 
Ccfcisparks

Ccfcisparks

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ccfc922 said:
Just like those that dance with glee when it's not a Muslim.

Personally couldn't care who's done it, but it's a reoccurring theme within Europe at the minute. Like people have said, they were desperate to pretend it was a choir boy and Christian with the Southport attacks.

Anyway, more importantly, the death toll is low thank God, considering what happened.
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Nobodies dancing with glee whatsoever.

they are just pointing out when people should have egg on their faces, such as you, for jumping to conclusions
 
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