duffer
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In what way, exactly? No need for snarky pointless bollocks, which I know is your preference, in what way?
Do you think all Muslims are the same, for starters?
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In what way, exactly? No need for snarky pointless bollocks, which I know is your preference, in what way?
Do you think all Muslims are the same, for starters?
fatso
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Just to be clear, did you shake each others heads or just your own?
I know it's no laughing matter, but sometimes it's the only way to make any sense of this totaly fucked up world.
Sky Blue Pete
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Yep
duffer
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Ah, the laughing emoji, what a surprise. Do you really think you win the argument by just sitting there gurning? So, so weak.
Bit of advice; think before posting obvious nonsense. At the moment you have to hide behind a laughing emoji every time you're called out. It's a bit embarrassing for you really.
It might be better to just put you on ignore. Clearly you've got fuck all intelligent to say, just a quick provocative statement and then run away. Tedious.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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I have told you before, it is pointless to engage with you as you are so stuck in an echo chamber you cannot communicate properly.
I made my point, you then qualified it with flying colours. The fact you still cannot see it loops back round to what I have said in line one. You lost the argument before you realised you were even partaking in one, which actually makes your slightly unhinged double response even funnier.
Don't massively want to wade in here, but worth mentioning that you don't appear to have made any point. Unless I missed it, or your point was the statement nullified by a bunch of posts which came before your own.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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You've responded to my point and got defensive about it, so you know exactly what I'm talking about. You also proved it true in the first place.
So your point is that "the left" (I don't personally politically box myself) can't criticise Islam? Isn't that what everyone has done on this thread? Or are you saying it needs to be a complete rejection of all Muslims? In which case, can you not comprehend that some of us may not have the exact same experience with those who follow Islam as you do?
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Yes, everyone has done but you (until I pointed it out), and Duffer/Dreamer (who are incapable of it). That was my point, and you've all proved it.
The rest about 'not all muslims' is just scraping the barrell at deflection and has nothing to do with what I am saying, which you know.
So what are you looking for, a denoucement of the religion of Islam, or a denouncement of muslims?
I don't need to denounce a disgusting regime policy on lowering age of consent to 9 years old, it's a given. Or are you saying anyone registered on the forum who hasn't specifically denounced it on this thread, is in agreement?
If you begin a discussion on such an absurdity, there's no point discussing at all.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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I've made my point and you and some others have qualified it. The rest of the conversation is redundant at this stage, but please carry on at your own perogative.
And just to clear, and so it's recorded, your point is that anyone who doesn't denounce islam/muslims (unclear) on this thread, automatically agrees with the age of consent being 9 years old.
Brilliant. Well worth the discussion.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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I wish you were actually this stupid to think that, but it really just shows the level of manipulation some of you will go to to play down any criticism of Islam. This projection really is next level.
Fucking weird behaviour. As I said, carry on.
No it's honestly just yourself speaking in riddles, and choosing not to make a clear statement. But you have decided to make it clear now - "criticism of Islam". In which case, I'm not sure what you're looking for because at the time of your post I was the only poster who had posted, but not clearly denounced the subject of the thread, and I subsequently did so (unnecessarily) when you made your remarks. Hence, your statement was the null and void.
You also said "those on the left", even though you don't know me or my political beliefs. Think about how dumb that statement is for a second. Hardline Islamists would not consider themselves leftists, but would not denounce the subject of the thread.
rob9872
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For the uneducated on this (me) can you be anything other than hard-line islamist? Is there a 'light' version of Islam for eg people like me who are not religious but consider themselves Christian or is it all or nothing? I'm not trying to be provocative and realise I could Google, but for the argument you're all having, do you believe it's one thing or the other or are there some grey areas?
My reply wasn’t meant to be provocative either!
If the question is “can you be anything other than hardline Islamist” then the answer is quite obviously yes - “hardline Islamist” is a pretty extreme position
If the question is “can you be a casual/nominal Muslim without regularly doing religious stuff” then the answer is also yes (although I’m sure you’ll get some religious nutters who’d disagree, as they would in Christianity too)
rob9872
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Probably my question isn't clear either. I know people who have been brought up muslim who consider themselves Muslim but have no real religious affinity and likely only go to mosques for big religious or family events when they feel compelled to do so.
I think what I mean is if you go to the mosque to pray regularly and believe in the Koran and support the religious beliefs, do you therefore wholeheartedly commit and does that mean you have ideology like in the disgusting opening post forced on you and to accept and in many ways normalise that belief or is that held only by a few radical extremists?
I think what I mean is if you go to the mosque to pray regularly and believe in the Koran and support the religious beliefs, do you therefore wholeheartedly commit and does that mean you have ideology like in the disgusting opening post forced on you and to accept and in many ways normalise that belief or is that held only by a few radical extremists?
Not for me to say, but anecdotally the people I know who are devout/attend mosque regularly etc would find this law repugnant. Clearly the law itself is controversial even within Iraq itself.
Muslim friends I have who are dedicated to their faith - pray multiple times a day, etc - have a different interpretation of their beliefs to certain people in these backwards countries. I guess an example would be something like certain christians hard stance against abortion, and christains who practice their faith but don't take the extreme views.
Worth noting that the Bible doesn't mention abortion, just like the Quran doesn't advocate child marriage. So these extreme views should not be the status quo of the religions, and not holding those views doesn't put you at conflict with those faiths.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I'm pretty sure those with the radical views are in the minority, but those that are hardline get an awful lot of coverage because of their views and the fanatical way they go about getting their way.
Obviously Muslim countries like Iran and Iraq will have a stricter adherence to the more extreme interpretations of Islam, but if you know immigrants from those or other Muslim countries many of them are nowhere near as strict, be that in terms of praying, dress code, even some who will drink alcohol. Look at all the Muslim girls in education - a hardline Islamist would say they should not be being educated at all but they and their parents want them to be. All would describe themselves as Muslim though.
I think you should largely think of it the way you do Christianity. A few hardliners but most are moderate who just want to live a peaceful life with a happy family.
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fernandopartridge
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I'm not sure what the West's current view on sharia law is as apparently it's all good in Syria
MalcSB
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morally Yes, but perhaps legally not if the age of consent has been set so low. In th country where the acts takes Place. In America isnt the age of consent somethung Like 21They probably look at this country where r you can legally get mararied at 16 and think that is . sex witwhanyone who is below s21 is statutory rape in the us.ss would imagine most of us on here would fall afoul off that convention if appliedretrospectivelye in the Uk
MalcSB
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I expec5 sharia law is viewed as fine As long as it’s stays in it’sown places.
MalcSB
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“We aren’t Otis, it’s more that Islam remains rooted in the Middle Ages. And so, as the western and chritian democracies move forward the gap keeps getting wider., leading to the incredulity being expressed about these sort of pronouncements.
SkyBlueCharlie9
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It's not Islam per se thats the problem, it's a peaceful spritual theme like Christianity. It's the way hard-line groups interpre it, ie MAGA in US, Catholics to justify weird stuff like abortion, contraception, sexual assualt, women rights etc. Judging by behaviour of some High up authorities in Church of England, paedophilia is not deemed serious enough to prosecute.
SkyBlueCharlie9
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Islam doesn’t impose a specific age for marriage like Christianity and leaves it for the legal authorities to decide the proper age for marriage in order to maintain interests of both husbands and wives. Its the Country's Lawmakers/Politicians that decide so if lower than 18 then you cant blame the religion of Islam. Not sure if there are any Christian countries with marriage age limits less than 18?
nicksar
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The country with the youngest Judicial age of marriage is Sudan with the age of 10 or Puberty.