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[covcity4life]

No you said I was mentally ill for having a problem with you trying to make these two comparable. It was at best a remarkable stupid post even for you and at worst a minimisation of one of the most heinous and destructive crimes someone can commit.

Now who's deflecting? Just admit you overreacted and missed the point where I agreed they weren't comparable as soon as you mentioned it.

I didn't read the article oP posted. I completely wasn't thinking of rape when I wrote it. Just minors having sex. As soon as you said it I said it's not the same thing at all of course. I don't know what else I can say.

 

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[shmmeee]

Now who's deflecting? Just admit you overreacted and missed the point where I agreed they weren't comparable as soon as you mentioned it.

I didn't read the article oP posted. I completely wasn't thinking of rape when I wrote it. Just minors having sex. As soon as you said it I said it's not the same thing at all of course. I don't know what else I can say.

I would have left it at my original reply if you hadn’t doubled down and demanded to know why I’d given you a shit emoji.

I found your post disgusting. I found your strange use of “British” telling about your attitudes which frankly are scarily similar to the grooming gangs which are in the news.

The fact is only 3% of British people lose their virginity before 14, and the average age is 17, but you tried to make out that British people don’t have an issue with underage sex. As if this is anything like the same issue.

Humans go through puberty and get horny. That’s a fact. There are no dangers for a post pubescent adolescent having safe consensual sex. Child abuse destroys lives in many cases. To even mention them in the same sentence is frankly ludicrous.

So no, I didn’t overreact.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I have just said they ain't comparable. I mean I have said it twice now

I literally said I take your point and agree 100 percent????

I’d just pipe down and move along if I were you.

 

[covcity4life]

I would have left it at my original reply if you hadn’t doubled down and demanded to know why I’d given you a shit emoji.

I found your post disgusting. I found your strange use of “British” telling about your attitudes which frankly are scarily similar to the grooming gangs which are in the news.

The fact is only 3% of British people lose their virginity before 14, and the average age is 17, but you tried to make out that British people don’t have an issue with underage sex. As if this is anything like the same issue.

Humans go through puberty and get horny. That’s a fact. There are no dangers for a post pubescent adolescent having safe consensual sex. Child abuse destroys lives in many cases. To even mention them in the same sentence is frankly ludicrous.

So no, I didn’t overreact.

You just compared me to a grooming gang. You have overreacted. And I'm genuinely disappointed in you. I don't think you make that comment if you didn't know I was Asian. So I think you are the racist. And I can't even laugh about it. Find it sad.

I know people who have been raped. What makes you think I don't care? Seriously?

And what the fuck makes you think I look down on British people? I am fucking British! Just cos I have old fashioned or upright views as some may see it doesn't make me racist.

Why didn't you just give me the stats? I find them genuinely interesting. I would have said fairplay I guess I'm wrong etc. and I don't think I said all British ppl have no issues with kids having sex young either actually. I think I said some British people who would have issue with 9 but not 13 and I find that crazy. Bit that was before you made the point about rape.

There is no point keep banging ona bout puberty and consent. I've already agreed with you. This is now the 3rd time. I have not argued with you about this.

 

[Grendel]

I’d just pipe down and move along if I were you.

Welcome to the discussion.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Welcome to the discussion.

Not really a discussion to be had is there? Would have thought it’s one of the few things on this board which everyone is aligned on.

 

[covcity4life]

Not really a discussion to be had is there? Would have thought it’s one of the few things on this board which everyone is aligned on.

Who isn't aligned? And be prepared to back it up you c**t.

Or just be racist to me. Seems that's acceptable

I mean what's being said here? I don't care about British people and I don't care about Iraqi people???

 

[Sick Boy]

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It wouldn’t work but I totally understand the sentiment
It’s why we have aggravating factors and mitigation etc etc

It absolutely would work.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

It absolutely would work.

Ok I don’t think you know what the consequences of that would be and how unworkable it would be
But again I understand the sentiment

 

[Sick Boy]

Ok I don’t think you know what the consequences of that would be and how unworkable it would be
But again I understand the sentiment

Yeah, rape not being treated and punished as it should be.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Yeah, rape not being treated and punished as it should be.

I suppose it’s a deal with what you can and it would be as easy as anything to just agree but follow it through

Do you think the uk has more crime than other comparable countries?
do you think we have a bigger problem with child abuse or rape than other comparable countries?

I don’t so why do we have a bigger prison population?

You know what - I can’t make the case on this thread
She was 10 he was utterly abhorrent to take advantage of that and we can argue the toss back and forth about the sentencing guidelines and how 6 years is a significant prison sentence but you don’t agree and many others don’t either and that’s ok

I’ll just shut up

 

[Sick Boy]

I suppose it’s a deal with what you can and it would be as easy as anything to just agree but follow it through

Do you think the uk has more crime than other comparable countries?
do you think we have a bigger problem with child abuse or rape than other comparable countries?

I don’t so why do we have a bigger prison population?

You know what - I can’t make the case on this thread
She was 10 he was utterly abhorrent to take advantage of that and we can argue the toss back and forth about the sentencing guidelines and how 6 years is a significant prison sentence but you don’t agree and many others don’t either and that’s ok

I’ll just shut up

I think all rape should be treated in the same way as murder. The reason why it isn’t is a whole other debate that isn’t appropriate for this thread.

Six years is fuck all and I’d say it most certainly isn’t significant for the severity of the crime. Hopefully it’ll end up being reviewed with at least another ten years added to it.

 

[covcity4life]

What a surprise no response.

 

[skyblueinBaku]

Ur kids/

what does that mean in English?

 

[robbiekeane]

Death?

Abso-fucking-lutely death Pete

A crime like this you are evil, and a danger to society. The worst kind of predator and the worst crime.

Death is the only option that comes close to justice here. My only problem with the death penalty is that people get wrongly convicted of crimes and that’s a different debate.

That being said, if you 100% could prove this scum did this, they deserve putting down and it’s the best thing for society can’t see how anyone can argue against that really.

People might have religious beliefs that go against death penalties but to be honest i despise all religion and i don’t think old books that quote magic sky wizards should have any place in deciding justice in modern society

 

[SeshMouseSkyBlue]

Really makes you feel for them doesn't it.

Let’s speak to Keir and see if there is any way he can let some out

 

[shmmeee]

Abso-fucking-lutely death Pete

A crime like this you are evil, and a danger to society. The worst kind of predator and the worst crime.

Death is the only option that comes close to justice here. My only problem with the death penalty is that people get wrongly convicted of crimes and that’s a different debate.

That being said, if you 100% could prove this scum did this, they deserve putting down and it’s the best thing for society can’t see how anyone can argue against that really.

People might have religious beliefs that go against death penalties but to be honest i despise all religion and i don’t think old books that quote magic sky wizards should have any place in deciding justice in modern society

Im as atheist as they come and don’t think killing people out of revenge is morally good or healthy for a society.

In fact it seems it’s mostly the most religious countries that do this:



Not particularly a list I’d want to join TBH.

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

A civilised free and fair country should not resort to death penalty. Life should mean life and only very limited facilities should be provided (no tv, radio etc). The idea should be to learn from and test why such people offend and carry out heinous crimes, maybe with hope of learning lessons preventing in future working with scientists, social services, police, CPS, prison services etc.
Just kill em, is a reactionary solution that has implications. Victims families sometimes want revenge but over time their feelings can often soften and not fair to give them burden of deciding.
Reasons people commit crimes can be extremely complex based on infinite number of factors.

 

[shmmeee]

A civilised free and fair country should not resort to death penalty. Life should mean life and only very limited facilities should be provided (no tv, radio etc). The idea should be to learn from and test why such people offend and carry out heinous crimes, maybe with hope of learning lessons preventing in future working with scientists, social services, police, CPS, prison services etc.
Just kill em, is a reactionary solution that has implications. Victims families sometimes want revenge but over time their feelings can often soften and not fair to give them burden of deciding.
Reasons people commit crimes can be extremely complex based on infinite number of factors.

I think it’s a really good point actually that we have a population of people we can experiment on how to reduce or remove violent tendencies from. My main concern is giving any government the ability to legally kill its own citizens. There’s no coincidence that it’s the most authoritarian ones that use it the most.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Im as atheist as they come and don’t think killing people out of revenge is morally good or healthy for a society.

In fact it seems it’s mostly the most religious countries that do this:

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Not particularly a list I’d want to join TBH.

Having a state that can sanction the killing of citizens is setting a bad example IMO. Someone with a mindset to kill could easily manipulate that into 'killing is acceptable if you seriously disagree with what I believe in" (though I admit there is still war that could arguably do the same).

I also agree wholeheartedly on it being of far more value studying them and performing scans etc to try and get to the bottom of this behaviour to better stop it occurring in future (though it seems we have found some ways of reducing it and decided to just ignore them). Killing them certainly hasn't stopped it.

While I can fully understand the anger of many to cases like this, I feel quite uneasy with those that are instantly "kill them!" And especially those that seem to be dreaming up extremely long and painful ways to do it. Comes across as someone with a sadistic bloodlust who just want a reason to justify it. You could make an argument they need watching almost as much.