clint van damme
Well-Known Member
Hamas telling people to stay put, operation human shield, wankers.
It should be very clear now that they intend to kill as many Palestinians there as possible and to use Hamas as the excuse.
Even if they wanted to, you can’t evacuate that many people in so little time. But yes maximising casualties is bizarrely what both sides want.Hamas telling people to stay put, operation human shield, wankers.
They will do as they do for all the other asylum seekers and dehumanise them by treating them as criminals for trying to arrive.Israel has overplayed its hand here so much that they’re going to lose the sympathy of the world and hand a “victory” to Hamas. The British government needs to speak out, if they stand by and say nothing and keep backing Israel how can they start complaining when Palestinian refugees start arriving by boat fleeing a war that the government championed.
The people are just pawns in a sick game aren't they.Even if they wanted to, you can’t evacuate that many people in so little time. But yes maximising casualties is bizarrely what both sides want.
Israel want a Palestinian slaughter, Hamas want martyrs.The people are just pawns
This would be the very definition of escaping a war zone wouldn't it.They will do as they do for all the other asylum seekers and dehumanise them by treating them as criminals for trying to arrive.
That and Ukraine yes. Will be interesting to see them justify taking in people from one but not the other.This would be the very definition of escaping a war zone wouldn't it.
Yeah that and logistically how do over 1m evacuate there within 24 hours?Hmm. 24 hour passage out of Gaza. Not sure I’d trust I wouldn’t be annihilated once appearing in the open.
They don’t connect the incidentsIsrael has overplayed its hand here so much that they’re going to lose the sympathy of the world and hand a “victory” to Hamas. The British government needs to speak out, if they stand by and say nothing and keep backing Israel how can they start complaining when Palestinian refugees start arriving by boat fleeing a war that the government championed.
Yeah that and logistically how do over 1m evacuate there within 24 hours?
They don’t. But it does allow Israel a token ‘we tried’ and Hamas a token ‘we couldn’t get them out then’.Yeah that and logistically how do over 1m evacuate there within 24 hours?
Israel want a Palestinian slaughter, Hamas want martyrs.
Theres definitely something fishy going on. Especially as it's been all but confirmed that Netanyahu was given a warning by the Egyptians.
If the 1.1 million people do manage to get to South gaza they'll never return. Another land grab by Israel.
As I've already said, this has been a massive opportunity for Netanyahu handed to him on a plate by hamas.
I fucking hate him and them, I really do, this is one of the most depressing events in recent history and there's been a few.
There's a lot of things I don't understand about this situation, I imagine most people would be the same given the complex history but we live in a world where most people are certain they are right on every subject, but this kind of thing really blows my mind.The FA said "we stand for humanity and an end to the death, violence, fear and suffering."
That's exactly what they should do, surely? A period of silence for all victims.
Sky News did a good analysis. In essence it's like asking the population of Birmingham to all move into Dudley.
They'd have to walk, obviously, through narrow streets, already congested by rubble.
Direct quote from Sky: "The area also contains 11 hospitals, three United Nations's compounds and two refugee camps which will need to be evacuated - all within 24 hours."
It's an impossible demand, obviously.
Of course Israel wants to get back at Hamas, and we'd be right to give them every possible support in doing so. But anywhere else in the world this approach would rightly be called ethnic cleansing or even genocide.
It's abhorrent madness, and like 9/11 it's going set back any possible peace process for decades. Also like 9/11, this is exactly what the terrorists and extremists on both sides want to do.
There's a lot of things I don't understand about this situation, I imagine most people would be the same given the complex history but we live in a world where most people are certain they are right on every subject, but this kind of thing really blows my mind.
How are we in a situation where if you say you want the suffering of innocent people on both sides, or indeed the killing of innocent people on both sides to end, it causes issues. People are being called anti-semetic, terrorist sympathisers etc for suggesting raining down bombs on innocent children isn't on.
What's their alternative?I agree. Sometimes by choice. Doesn’t mean that they should green light the actions of Israel.
What's their alternative?
They can hardly green light the actions of a terrorist outfit like Hamas can they. And let's not forget the first priority of any government is to protect its people.
There's an argument that the response was not proportionate, or lead to more suffering of innocent people, but that argument doesn't stand up well when you consider Hamas have fired 150 missiles into Israel in the last 24 hrs.
Oh jeez the village idiot is back on line.Nice of you to wade in with your tiny pea brain.
To be fair you are justifying war crimesOh jeez the village idiot is back on line.
And where do they go?Yeah that and logistically how do over 1m evacuate there within 24 hours?
Hasn’t Israel fired 3000 into Gaza? By that standard and using your own logic that must mean Hamas is the victim here.What's their alternative?
They can hardly green light the actions of a terrorist outfit like Hamas can they. And let's not forget the first priority of any government is to protect its people.
There's an argument that the response was not proportionate, or lead to more suffering of innocent people, but that argument doesn't stand up well when you consider Hamas have fired 150 missiles into Israel in the last 24 hrs.
No I'm not, it's a shit show and more innocents will get killed. I categorically do not want to see that.To be fair you are justifying war crimes
What Israel is doing is in no-one's interests and that includes Jews in Israel and outside. It will lead to further division and extremism that will blight generations to come. It's truly disastrous.The Israeli government’s actions also aren’t helping Jews around the world. Anti Semitic attacks up in pretty much every country in the world and Jewish based faith schools in the U.K. are closing until at least Monday for fear of being targeted.
Israel responded to the attack on the music festival which was the action that started this latest round of military action.Hasn’t Israel fired 3000 into Gaza? By that standard and using your own logic that must mean Hamas is the victim here.
Yes, yes you are.No I'm not, it's a shit show and more innocents will get killed. I categorically do not want to see that.
What I'm explaining is why Israel feels justified in their actions.
That doesn't mean the response is correct or proportional. But I don't see how the UN or anyone else can stop what is happening.
There are still rockets being fired by Hamas into Israel.Hasn’t Israel fired 3000 into Gaza? By that standard and using your own logic that must mean Hamas is the victim here.
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