Israel - Palestinian Conflict (25 Viewers)

[Nick]

What a twat

 

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[Deleted member 9744]

We can stop them, international pressure will lead to a ceasefire and then an international force to maintain order and funding to help the non terrorist palestinian authorities such as Fatah build infrastructure with a view to implementing a 2 state solution

I am not sure what international pressure would stop Israel to be honest. I think they are set on this course of action regardless, and anyway there is no way the West will try to stop them.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Interestingly it appears that Israel has held off ( so far) from launching the all out land assault that was thought to be imminent.

So maybe international pressure is making them rethink.

Also the USA has sent a carrier task force to the area, that maybe to assure Israel that Iran won't enter the equation (I'm guessing here) but this may (?) De-escalate things.

Be interesting to see if things scale back a bit now.

I hope you are right that they are having second thoughts but doubt it. I suspect they know it is a very dangerous mission and they will themselves incur major losses so they are being cautious before going in.

 

[David O'Day]

I am not sure what international pressure would stop Israel to be honest. I think they are set on this course of action regardless, and anyway there is no way the West will try to stop them.

the west opinion is already turning away from blinding supporting them

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

We can stop them, international pressure will lead to a ceasefire and then an international force to maintain order and funding to help the non terrorist palestinian authorities such as Fatah build infrastructure with a view to implementing a 2 state solution

Ok

 

[skybluetony176]

So what's your solution to a state that's under attack from a terrorist organisation?

Again I'm genuinely interested in your answer, everyone's apauled, but no one has an answer.

To not behave like terrorists in retaliation would be a good starting point.

 

[David O'Day]

this press conference could interesting, especially the questions part

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I expect Israel to not target civilians or kids

Is that such a big ask?

Eye for an eye??

 

[skybluetony176]

Just seen a video from Ireland with people with flags in a supermarket demanding a boycott of things.

Then chanting "we are all palistinions" even forcing their kids to.

It's cult like.

Edit: think it's an old video.

In Northern Ireland amongst republicans there’s been sympathy with Gaza especially for decades. It’s not unusual in the north to pass a catholic area and see a Free Gaza sign. They see a similarity between themselves being occupied and Gaza being occupied.

 

[David O'Day]

Eye for an eye??

makes the whole world blind

 

[skybluetony176]

I am not sure what international pressure would stop Israel to be honest. I think they are set on this course of action regardless, and anyway there is no way the West will try to stop them.

Threaten a ban on the sales of arms and technical assistance on arms to them. That would soon buck their ideas up.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

makes the whole world blind

I know hence why I follow Jesus

 

[David O'Day]

I know hence why I follow Jesus

The fella who plays for Arsenal?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The fella who plays for Arsenal?

Yep

no the guy that laid down his life for all

I know we’re shit at living it but at its root the eye for an eye stuff was better than escalation

 

[David O'Day]

Yep

no the guy that laid down his life for all

I know we’re shit at living it but at its root the eye for an eye stuff was better than escalation

Oh yeah Jesus Navas ex Man Cikty Winger

 

[skybluetony176]

Some of the scenes starting to come out of Gaza are horrific. The hospitals especially. Also starting to see an exodus of people taking all they carry. Very reminiscent of WW2.

 

[David O'Day]

Interesting that Lloyd Austin has gone to Israel and talking about the right to defend itself but also uphold the laws of war

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Interesting that Lloyd Austin has gone to Israel and talking about the right to defend itself but also uphold the laws of war

He’s the us guy isn’t he

 

[David O'Day]

He’s the us guy isn’t he

Yeah a former General and current US Sec. Of Defence

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Threaten a ban on the sales of arms and technical assistance on arms to them. That would soon buck their ideas up.

It's not going to happen quickly enough. We have entrenched views in the West in support of Israel, hence Shapps' interview this morning.

 

[PVA]

Just the Israeli air force boasting about flattening Gaza on social media

 

[David O'Day]

It's not going to happen quickly enough. We have entrenched views in the West in support of Israel, hence Shapps' interview this morning.

Shapps is an idiot

The US SOD has just been talking about having to respect the laws or war while in Israel so the west isn't going to let Israel do whatever they want

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Shapps is an idiot

The US SOD has just been talking about having to respect the laws or war while in Israel so the west isn't going to let Israel do whatever they want

I can't see Israel backing down.

 

[Bugsy]

Fears war could begin on new front - as Hezbollah says it's ready to join Hamas
There are real fears a new front could open up in the war if Hezbollah decides to get involved and attack Israel in support of its Palestinian allies.

And just now, Hezbollah's deputy leader said they were "fully prepared" to join Hamas in the war against Israel - telling a rally in the suburbs of Beirut they will intervene "when the time comes".

 

[skybluetony176]

It's not going to happen quickly enough. We have entrenched views in the West in support of Israel, hence Shapps' interview this morning.

I agree. Certainly not with the government we have. I have no doubt they see the events of the last week as a gift. As you said, hence Shapps interview this morning.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

I agree. Certainly not with the government we have. I have no doubt they see the events of the last week as a gift. As you said, hence Shapps interview this morning.

Excellent opportunity for their culture wars and Islamophobia and Jeremy Hunt has just signalled to energy firms that they have another opportunity to increase profits.

 

[Ian1779]

I agree. Certainly not with the government we have. I have no doubt they see the events of the last week as a gift. As you said, hence Shapps interview this morning.

What is equally worrying is the lack of sense coming from the Opposition bench.

2 supposed legal experts that don’t seem to be able to identify what is or isn’t a war crime.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

What is equally worrying is the lack of sense coming from the Opposition bench.

2 supposed legal experts that don’t seem to be able to identify what is or isn’t a war crime.

Agreed but they are not in power so it really doesn't matter. If Starmer came out and called for restraint it have make no impact on what Israel does.

 

[shmmeee]

What's their alternative?

They can hardly green light the actions of a terrorist outfit like Hamas can they. And let's not forget the first priority of any government is to protect its people.

There's an argument that the response was not proportionate, or lead to more suffering of innocent people, but that argument doesn't stand up well when you consider Hamas have fired 150 missiles into Israel in the last 24 hrs.

And yet the death toll is heavy in Israel’s “favour”.

Why has it got to be black and white? Hamas are scum, the Israeli government has the capacity to not be so scummy and chooses not to.

 

[Como]

I was trying to think of some positive, no more kneeling.

 

[fatso]

And yet the death toll is heavy in Israel’s “favour”.

Why has it got to be black and white? Hamas are scum, the Israeli government has the capacity to not be so scummy and chooses not to.

But realistically Israel isn't going to stop the bombardment until the incoming rockets from Hamas stop. (I'm not saying that's right, I'm just pointing it out)

The death toll on either side doesn't seem to count unfortunately.

Once the rockets stop falling on Israel, the world will wait to see what the IDF do.

 

[David O'Day]

Turkey is openly speaking out against the evacuation order and the Dutch seem to be trying to work with the Jordanians on an aid plan

 

[Nick]

Why are people rioting and kicking off in the UK wearing flags?

 

[clint van damme]

Why are people rioting and kicking off in the UK wearing flags?

Because they don't like to see thousands of people killed?

 

[Nick]

Because they don't like to see thousands of people killed?

Not sure what kicking off with the police or putting posters up is going to do to stop it.