Grendel
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Hamas are clearly a terrorist organisation funded by Iran.
Iran set a mission to wipe Israel off the map.
Im afraid when it invaded into the Israel side of the fence the response was pretty predictable
If that's the case then I it was worded badly, as I see no issue with Hamas being viewed as a terrorist organisation. What I struggle to understand is sheer hypocrisy when both sides appear to be behaving in the same manner. At the end of the day, I don't really see how killing innocent civilians can be distinguished.
Interesting you’ll point to the US propping up Ukraine for political purposes, but not Israel.Hamas are clearly a terrorist organisation funded by Iran.
Iran set a mission to wipe Israel off the map.
Im afraid when it invaded into the Israel side of the fence the response was pretty predictable
Hamas are clearly a terrorist organisation funded by Iran.
Iran set a mission to wipe Israel off the map.
Im afraid when it invaded into the Israel side of the fence the response was pretty predictable
Rightly or wrongly the people on both sides seem to dehumanise the others. I’ve seen footage of Israeli citizens saying some disgraceful stuff, and obviously we’ve seen Hamas and the like. It seems so deep seated on a cultural level that I’m not sure how you get to a point of trust between the two.
Unfortunately Gaza is the most densely populated place in the world. Not defending anyone here but it is impossible to launch a military operation in Gaza without it effecting/killing innocent civilians.Why is killing innocent civilians predictable?
Modern militaries, which would include Israel, are more than capable of targeting specific enemy compounds or infrastructure. I just read that Israel struck a mosque in Gaza City today.
Unfortunately Gaza is the most densely populated place in the world. Not defending anyone here but it is impossible to launch a military operation in Gaza without it effecting/killing innocent civilians.
No One.Who's backing Hamas on here?
A ceasefire has to be first priority, but not many calls for it sadly.
Hamas is for sure a terrorist organisation whilst the Israeli government behave like terrorists.
As I mentioned on another thread, if you unequivocally condemn Russia in its role as aggressor trying to steal land that isn’t theirs, then you surely should say the same about Israel.
No One.
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That’s the whole state of Palestine, I’m talking specifically about Gaza.Not even close, according to Statista - Most densely populated countries worldwide 2021 | Statista.
Yes. Very sad isn't it and a real mess.When you look historically far more Palestinians have been killed or injuries compared to Israeli's
Infographic: The Human Cost Of The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict
This chart shows Israeli & Palestinian deaths/injuries documented by the UN in Gaza and the West Bank.www.google.com
This is a good summary
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Calm down , have said 2 things and carried on with my day , not worked up in the slightest
I will never back the terrorist organisation that is hamas , not arsed what people think on here , I can guess though
Islamic terror isn't an Israel thing and I get irritated when we support it in the UK .. bothers me
Sound pretty worked up to me.
Interesting you’ll point to the US propping up Ukraine for political purposes, but not Israel.
Jewish people were relocated to the region after ww2 , it's more complicated than simply that though stillHas this always been an issue? My grandad had some 'peace keeping' medals from staying on in Palestine just after the 2nd World War. I always assumed it was to do with WW2 tbh but presumably same conflict.
Disclaimer- as I said above not well versed in this so have no opinion to share.
Calm down , have said 2 things and carried on with my day , not worked up in the slightest
I'm genuinley not worked up , was a bit miffed with the tag ..Considering the subject matter its been a civilised debate, new territory for SBT!
New territory is the objective word.Considering the subject matter its been a civilised debate, new territory for SBT!
This seems like a fair way of describing it.
The British were bombed by the Zionists in 1946Has this always been an issue? My grandad had some 'peace keeping' medals from staying on in Palestine just after the 2nd World War. I always assumed it was to do with WW2 tbh but presumably same conflict.
Disclaimer- as I said above not well versed in this so have no opinion to share.
Then why is @Evo1883 getting so worked up about it, and insinuating that people are?
When you are a specific race of people that all your neighbours want to be nuked off the planet and are not even recognised as human beings I don’t think it’s that simple. I think it’s understandable to feel somewhat threatened 24 7 in that environment
I was replying to one sentence by Ian1779.
Well your non political post was deliberately the opposite
The media bias element is beyond parody given Jeremy Bowen has frequently been criticised for his pro Palestine stance
Jeremy Bowen on Gaza: how impartial is the BBC’s Middle East Editor? | TheArticle
Jeremy Bowen’s “Letter from Gaza” in the current [...]www.thearticle.com
I was also referencing your claim of media bias in your OP - it’s clear you are coming from a specific stance
Not at all. My knowledge of the Israel - Palestinian conflict is much poorer than it should be. I approached reading about the conflict over the weekend with no bias whatsoever. My observations in the original post were just that, observations based on what I've been reading and seeing. I've read articles from a number of different outlets which would be considered to be both sides of the spectrum in UK media. I'm seeing strong outrage for death of civilians on the Israel side, and a shying away from the deaths on the Palestinian side. I'm also seeing government and public buildings lit up in Israeli flag and colours. That is literally what I'm seeing from this weekends coverage, what do you want me to say?
Well the simple problem is Jews are not welcome in the Middle East. The Islamic population generally is the most racist population on earth and wants them gone.
After all the current shadow minister for crime reduction (what a title) says - why can’t all those Jews be shipped over to the US then there won’t be a problem
Do you have an official racism power rankings to hand, or is this just something you’ve decided about 1.5 billion people collectively?The Islamic population generally is the most racist population on earth
The Egypt side is pretty much all desert although it does supply a small amount of electricity Israel is the main electricity and water supplier into Gaza.I always thought Napoleon said that God was on the side of the big battalions, he did not, a corruption of a Voltaire quote.
You just have to look at the geography of the area and the population sizes and realise there will become a time when Israel will cease to exist, Israel has to win every time.
One thing that has always amused me is that Gaza has a border with Egypt, yet it is Israel that has allowed workers to cross its border and supplies electricity. The Egyptians do not seem very keen to help their brothers. Make of that what you will.
I seriously doubt the Hamas leadership are at much risk, or their families, probably ensconced in Villas somewhere in the Gulf. Certainly suits the need of Iran, and from their perspective a relatively cheap and low risk operation.
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