Israel - Palestinian Conflict (9 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You can but the problem is people are not , that's a fact already proven on this thread

And puff your chest out with such conviction when people criticise the behaviours and actions of people within the religion of Islam... grrr

Once again , Hamas are terrorists , full stop

Agreed, they are. Still doesn’t justify what Israel has done to civilians on the other side.

 

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[shmmeee]

I actually find Twitter quite good but it's been as big a cesspit as I've seen it since the Hamas attacks.
I want to keep abrest of what's going on but some of it is such partisan propaganda it's hard to disseminate the truth.

And even stuff that seems legit seems to get at worst disproved or at best nuance added. And everyone on every side is so partisan it’s almost impossible to find neutral sources. Every sub group of twitter I follow, even YIMBY twitter has strong opinions on it now.

 

[Evo1883]

Agreed, they are. Still doesn’t justify what Israel has done to civilians on the other side.

The ones hamas keep hiding behind ?

 

[Ian1779]

And puff your chest out with such conviction when people criticise the behaviours and actions of people within the religion of Islam... grrr

Once again , Hamas are terrorists , full stop

I’m not even sure what point you are making here. No one has disagreed with this point about Hamas

 

[clint van damme]

You can but the problem is people are not , that's a fact already proven on this thread

And puff your chest out with such conviction when people criticise the behaviours and actions of people within the religion of Islam... grrr

Once again , Hamas are terrorists , full stop

Which posts have conflated Judaism with Israel?

I don't think even Tea and Busquets has done that in his rants though I wouldn't go out on a limb on that.

 

[Evo1883]

I’m not even sure what point you are making here. No one has disagreed with this point about Hamas

Yea but


The thread in a nutshell

Hamas are terrorists..but

 

[shmmeee]

A few remarks very close to the bone , which several posters have alluded to , not far back

I don’t agree with using Zionist personally but I don’t think it’s cut and dry. As long as it’s not creeping towards protocols of Zion stuff I don’t think it’s worth getting too upset about in this context.

 

[clint van damme]

And even stuff that seems legit seems to get at worst disproved or at best nuance added. And everyone on every side is so partisan it’s almost impossible to find neutral sources. Every sub group of twitter I follow, even YIMBY twitter has strong opinions on it now.

There's a joint venture between Palestinian and Israeli journalists which is pretty good.

Can't remember the name.

 

[napolimp]

Thank fuck we have the General Chat sub, for a bit of light hearted agreement.

 

[shmmeee]

Yea but


The thread in a nutshell

Hamas are terrorists..but

Israel are killing kids…but. It’s the same on both sides mate. Overly touchy about anything close to prejudice, assuming the worst, answering every concern with a what about. Absolutely convinced of your righteousness.

How do you not see it’s a microcosm of the whole thing? No one willing to just take a breath and start from now.

 

[PVA]

Yea but


The thread in a nutshell

Hamas are terrorists..but

If the word 'but' is the problem, how about Hamas are terrorists and Israel have committed atrocities against civilians.

Is that better?

 

[Evo1883]

Israel are killing kids…but. It’s the same on both sides mate. Overly touchy about anything close to prejudice, assuming the worst, answering every concern with a what about. Absolutely convinced of your righteousness.

How do you not see it’s a microcosm of the whole thing? No one willing to just take a breath and start from now.

OK il put another thing over to you


Let's say tomorrow Israel agrees to split Jerusalem and give Palestine some land back etc etc ..do you think terror attacks against Israel will stop ?

We both know the answer is no and only a full destruction of the state will be enough for the Arab nations in the middle east

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The ones hamas keep hiding behind ?

It’s kind of impossible not to when confined to such a small piece of territory, however let’s suppose they had a choice and did it anyway. Why then would the IDF shell boys playing football on the beach? Why bomb hospitals and mosques? These are crimes, plain and simple. As by the way is the occupation of the West Bank.

 

[Evo1883]

It’s kind of impossible not to when confined to such a small piece of territory, however let’s suppose they had a choice and did it anyway. Why then would the IDF shell boys playing football on the beach? Why bomb hospitals and mosques? These are crimes, plain and simple. As by the way is the occupation of the West Bank.

They would still hide behind the innocent civilians because they're cowardly bastards like every Islamic terrorist before them, they'd pull a child infront of them in an open field if they could

 

[Otis]

Yea but


The thread in a nutshell

Hamas are terrorists..but

Hasn't it been "Hamas are terrorists but Israel shouldn't be bombing innocent children?" What's wrong with that? Shouldn't that be what we would all want to see?

That's the only but I believe.

There have been some atrocities carried out by Russian soldiers on Ukrainians. It is just as bad though when the shoe is on the other foot. We should condemn the lot

Indiscriminate killing is indiscriminate killing .

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

OK il put another thing over to you


Let's say tomorrow Israel agrees to split Jerusalem and give Palestine some land back etc etc ..do you think terror attacks against Israel will stop ?

We both know the answer is no and only a full destruction of the state will be enough for the Arab nations in the middle east

It was assumed that Northern Ireland would never see peace and that Martin McGuinness and Ian Paisley would never talk, never mind jointly govern. If the IRA could be convinced to lay down arms, so can Hamas.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

They would still hide behind the innocent civilians because they're cowardly bastards like every Islamic terrorist before them, they'd pull a child infront of them in an open field if they could

Nobody was hiding behind the children shelled at from the sea.

 

[clint van damme]

OK il put another thing over to you


Let's say tomorrow Israel agrees to split Jerusalem and give Palestine some land back etc etc ..do you think terror attacks against Israel will stop ?

We both know the answer is no and only a full destruction of the state will be enough for the Arab nations in the middle east

They've got good relations with several Arab countries, especially some of the the Gulf states.

Iran is a different story....

 

[Fysnkysc]

I don’t think they will. And hasn’t Israel said they’ll bomb anything that comes across the border? (Genuine question it’s so hard to know what’s confirmed right noe

The USA Israel and Egypt are already discussing green corridors.

As for the bombing I believe it was said yes

 

[Grendel]

It was assumed that Northern Ireland would never see peace and that Martin McGuinness and Ian Paisley would never talk, never mind jointly govern. If the IRA could be convinced to lay down arms, so can Hamas.

You do realise there will be a new Hamas as there is now a very active new IRA

 

[Fysnkysc]

You do realise there will be a new Hamas as there is now a very active new IRA

New active ira , yea mate wheres the bombings and shootings?

 

[Evo1883]

It was assumed that Northern Ireland would never see peace and that Martin McGuinness and Ian Paisley would never talk, never mind jointly govern. If the IRA could be convinced to lay down arms, so can Hamas.

Don't hink Islamic extremists are anywhere near as easy to negotiate with on the grand scale

 

[clint van damme]

It was assumed that Northern Ireland would never see peace and that Martin McGuinness and Ian Paisley would never talk, never mind jointly govern. If the IRA could be convinced to lay down arms, so can Hamas.

I honestly believe in this instance Hamas needs to be gone, as does Netanyahu.
A more .moderate Israeli leader and Fatah might have a chance, a slim one,but a chance.

My opinion is it's too late though

 

[napolimp]

You do realise there will be a new Hamas as there is now a very active new IRA

What's up with your obsession with the IRA? I'm half Irish, and both my wife's parents are Irish, and I've never come across anyone who talks about the IRA so much.

 

[Evo1883]

They've got good relations with several Arab countries, especially some of the the Gulf states.

Iran is a different story....

They're friends with countries that have an equal hatred of Iran aren't they

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You do realise there will be a new Hamas as there is now a very active new IRA

The new IRA is a tiny fraction of what it used to be and is largely unwelcome in the nationalist community from what I see. In the event we had a Palestinian peace process, Hamas jeapordising it would be equally unwelcome.

Blockades, murders of civilians and shelling the Gaza Strip is not going to change anything.

 

[Otis]

Don't hink Islamic extremists are anywhere near as easy to negotiate with on the grand scale

I don't know. It went very well in Afghanistan

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Don't hink Islamic extremists are anywhere near as easy to negotiate with on the grand scale

Nobody thought you could negotiate with the IRA either.

 

[clint van damme]

They're friends with countries that have an equal hatred of Iran aren't they

Yeah, along with a couple of others, not sure it's as bad as you're making out, though in that region things change with the flick of a switch.

 

[Nuskyblue]

New active ira , yea mate wheres the bombings and shootings?

In Northern Ireland?

 

[Evo1883]

I don't know. It went very well in Afghanistan

Not sure it did , we certainly didn't get what we wanted , Islamic extremists run the country

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I honestly believe in this instance Hamas needs to be gone, as does Netanyahu.
A more .moderate Israeli leader and Fatah might have a chance, a slim one,but a chance.

My opinion is it's too late though

What’s clear is they aren’t going to solve it themselves.

 

[Otis]

Not sure it did , we certainly didn't get what we wanted , Islamic extremists run the country

Was being sarcastic

 

[Evo1883]

Right I'm muting the thread
. Goodnight gents

 

[Deleted member 5849]

It was assumed that Northern Ireland would never see peace and that Martin McGuinness and Ian Paisley would never talk, never mind jointly govern. If the IRA could be convinced to lay down arms, so can Hamas.

It was the PLO played the Hamas role back in the day.

Then they became the statesmen