Sky Blue Pete
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Should help
Israel - Palestinian Conflict (4 Viewers)
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DrPoolittle
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There is always a violent solution to war. Depends if you are an adherent of Clausewitz.
What people forget is that Judaism doesn’t do the Christain “turn the other cheek”.
Judaism advocates an eye for an eye.
Sky Blue Pete
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It’s currently at 12 eyes for an eye in this battle of the war
Sick Boy
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As does The Bible.
skybluetony176
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Exodus IIRC.
Great record,. Thanks Bob.
Brighton Sky Blue
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duffer
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I'm sorry, but that's not a very accurate take on Judaism. In fact it's dangerously close to an anti-Semitic trope, I'd argue.
The actions of the State of Israel in Gaza are, to my mind, unconscionable war crimes. But that doesn't mean that Jews or Judaism as a whole can be blamed.
Ditto Hamas and their hideousness, and the attempt (by certain factions) to hold Islam and all Muslims to blame.
An Eye For An Eye? - Reconstructing Judaism
וְאִ֕ישׁ כִּֽי־יִתֵּ֥ן מ֖וּם בַּעֲמִית֑וֹ כַּאֲשֶׁ֣ר עָשָׂ֔ה כֵּ֖ן יֵעָ֥שֶׂה לּֽוֹ׃ שֶׁ֚בֶר תַּ֣חַת שֶׁ֔בֶר עַ֚יִן תַּ֣חַת עַ֔יִן שֵׁ֖ן תַּ֣חַת שֵׁ֑ן כַּאֲשֶׁ֨ר יִתֵּ֥ן מוּם֙ בָּֽאָדָ֔ם כֵּ֖ן יִנָּ֥תֶן בּֽוֹ׃ V’ish ki yiten mum ba’amito, ka’asher asah ken ya’aseh lo: shever tachat shever, ayin...
www.reconstructingjudaism.org
duffer
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Yeah, as with the Judaism thing above, I think it's fairly obvious that most Christians (at least notionally) pay more attention to the words of Christ in the New Testament. The clue's in the name.
Houchens Head
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That'll be over a few heads Wingy!
skybluetony176
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Ahh, Isreal. Helping recruitment for Hamas since 2023.
Support for Hamas grows among Palestinians in West Bank
Israel aims to destroy the group in Gaza, but its influence is spreading in the occupied West Bank.
www.bbc.co.uk
SkyBlueMatt
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"Palestinians never wanted to have a state next to Israel."
Israel-Hamas war: Ambassador says Israel will not accept two-state solution
Note how she speaks about 'Palestine' and not 'Hamas'. It was never about them, it was just an excuse to commit genocide on the Palestinian people and the west supported this.
We could all see this coming, if Israel are looking to wipe Palestine off the map and the west are standing by and letting this happen. It's human nature to turn to the only people that will promise to stand up for you.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation but put yourself in the same situation. You being bombed every day, your family and friends are dying. The West are enabling and even funding this genocide, who else can you turn to?
"One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter"
Israel-Hamas war: Ambassador says Israel will not accept two-state solution
Note how she speaks about 'Palestine' and not 'Hamas'. It was never about them, it was just an excuse to commit genocide on the Palestinian people and the west supported this.
Ahh, Isreal. Helping recruitment for Hamas since 2023.
Support for Hamas grows among Palestinians in West Bank
Israel aims to destroy the group in Gaza, but its influence is spreading in the occupied West Bank.www.bbc.co.uk
We could all see this coming, if Israel are looking to wipe Palestine off the map and the west are standing by and letting this happen. It's human nature to turn to the only people that will promise to stand up for you.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation but put yourself in the same situation. You being bombed every day, your family and friends are dying. The West are enabling and even funding this genocide, who else can you turn to?
"One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter"
Como
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Four arrests as Denmark foils alleged attack plot Europe arrests for alleged Hamas anti-Jewish attack
Other sources mention a Hamas, not Palestinian, cell.What do you expect?
Nuskyblue
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So we Israeled three points from The Stadium of Light then. Fantastic.
Edit: got the victim bit back to front...
3 points tho
DrPoolittle
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I'm sorry, but that's not a very accurate take on Judaism. In fact it's dangerously close to an anti-Semitic trope, I'd argue.
The actions of the State of Israel in Gaza are, to my mind, unconscionable war crimes. But that doesn't mean that Jews or Judaism as a whole can be blamed.
Ditto Hamas and their hideousness, and the attempt (by certain factions) to hold Islam and all Muslims to blame.
An Eye For An Eye? - Reconstructing Judaism
וְאִ֕ישׁ כִּֽי־יִתֵּ֥ן מ֖וּם בַּעֲמִית֑וֹ כַּאֲשֶׁ֣ר עָשָׂ֔ה כֵּ֖ן יֵעָ֥שֶׂה לּֽוֹ׃ שֶׁ֚בֶר תַּ֣חַת שֶׁ֔בֶר עַ֚יִן תַּ֣חַת עַ֔יִן שֵׁ֖ן תַּ֣חַת שֵׁ֑ן כַּאֲשֶׁ֨ר יִתֵּ֥ן מוּם֙ בָּֽאָדָ֔ם כֵּ֖ן יִנָּ֥תֶן בּֽוֹ׃ V’ish ki yiten mum ba’amito, ka’asher asah ken ya’aseh lo: shever tachat shever, ayin...
“I’m sorry…..”
don’t be sorry for being wrong. But your apology is accepted.
At no point did I state that Jews or Judaism as a whole can be blamed, whereas I did point out that Israel’s actions can be understood through their perception of the world.
This started after the Holocaust and was continued after the newly created state of Israel was invaded immediately by 5 Arab nations. Understand this and you can see why Israel acts as it does, particularly because it lacks stratetic depth.
Please don’t parrot out “tropes” and then label them as “anti semetic”
duffer
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Seriously mate, what the fuck are you on about?
If you put out some spurious bullshit about Judaism being the religion of "an eye for an eye", something that is most definitely used as an anti-Semitic trope, then expect to be challenged on it.
I'm apologising for your stupidity for repeating such obvious bullshit, and was trying to be moderately polite about it, but you're clearly a bit too thick to see that.
skybluetony176
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I can’t believe this is a shock to anyone
skybluetony176
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Sky Blue Pete
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Self defence self defence blah blah blah
No one likes us if we didn’t kill everyone they’ll kill us
skybluetony176
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Spectaculary missing the point. It’s exactly because South Africa has held up a mirror up to itself it’s has all the relevant experience to call out what is happening in Gaza.
Genocide of farmers still occurring in SA
skybluetony176
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I think you need to read the definition of genocide.
I don’t wish to diminish what’s happening in the farming community in South Africa but you’re talking about barely 800 murders in 13 years and farmers of all races with the primary purpose being robbery. It’s not really comparable to the murder of over 20,000 people in a matter of months almost exclusively from one ethnic background and religion, which literally is the dictionary definition of genocide.
OffenhamSkyBlue
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This on the Beeb today, 100 days on from the Hamas attacks.
The IDF eyes on the border warned their commanders that a big attack was likely.
Israel did nothing to increase the defence.
You will struggle to convince me that Netenyahu did anything to deter an attack so that he could use the excuse of "self defence" in annihilating the entire Gaza Strip. I have believed this from Day One, and here is the proof.
South Africa is right. Meanwhile we stand back and watch it happen.
The IDF eyes on the border warned their commanders that a big attack was likely.
Israel did nothing to increase the defence.
You will struggle to convince me that Netenyahu did anything to deter an attack so that he could use the excuse of "self defence" in annihilating the entire Gaza Strip. I have believed this from Day One, and here is the proof.
South Africa is right. Meanwhile we stand back and watch it happen.
They were Israel's 'eyes on the border' - but their Hamas warnings went unheard
A unit of young female soldiers warned of a big attack. They were among the first Hamas killed on 7 October.
www.bbc.co.uk
Como
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I can think of quite a few similar scenarios, Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour and of course probably the most egregious Operation Barbarossa and Stalin.
This is small beer compared to Barbarossa. Anyway worth a watch.
www.c-span.org
This is small beer compared to Barbarossa. Anyway worth a watch.
<em>What Stalin Knew</em>
David Murphy talked about his book [What Stalin Knew: The Enigma of Barbarossa], published by Yale University Press. Mr. Murphy examined what he saw as Stalin's blunder in ignoring extensive intelligence reports preceding Germany's attack on the Soviet Union in 1941. For the book, he drew upon...
The story of the Israeli footballer who plays for Haji Wright’s old club in Turkey is outrageous - he’s basically been forced to flee the country for trying to show support for the hostages in Gaza.
Sagiv Jehezkel: Israel footballer leaves Turkey after hostage plea row
Sagiv Jehezkel was sacked by a Turkish club after showing solidarity with Israeli hostages in Gaza.
www.bbc.co.uk
TomRad85
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Looks like he'll be available on a free then. Worth a look.The story of the Israeli footballer who plays for Haji Wright’s old club in Turkey is outrageous - he’s basically been forced to flee the country for trying to show support for the hostages in Gaza.
Sagiv Jehezkel: Israel footballer leaves Turkey after hostage plea row
Sagiv Jehezkel was sacked by a Turkish club after showing solidarity with Israeli hostages in Gaza.www.bbc.co.uk
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OffenhamSkyBlue
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That sucks. Take it out on the Israeli government, by all means, but not on individual citizens (or equally a random Jewish person in London) simply because you can't tell the difference.The story of the Israeli footballer who plays for Haji Wright’s old club in Turkey is outrageous - he’s basically been forced to flee the country for trying to show support for the hostages in Gaza.
Sagiv Jehezkel: Israel footballer leaves Turkey after hostage plea row
Sagiv Jehezkel was sacked by a Turkish club after showing solidarity with Israeli hostages in Gaza.www.bbc.co.uk
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So having sold the Saudis weapons to bomb the Yemenis for years we now think doing our own bombing will de-escalate the situation.