Otis
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Think that is key. There has to be the will and the political backing.
I fear there will be neither.
Think that is key. There has to be the will and the political backing.Tbh, I don't know how you go do something so bespoke, and such a sensitive subject, and in such a built up area without political backing. You would just waste time and money pursuing it without.
So yes, interesting (regardless of the viability of thr stadium) that CRFC are mirroring Fishers stance re: the barrier of the current political stance on this.
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A 25000 seater stadium is ample for us, even it the top flight with 4000 away fans we averaged around 19000With all this talk of needing a huge stadium anyone watching MOTD? West From were at home to Man City today and there's a lot of empty seats in the home stands of a 26K stadium.
You said that CCFC spent much more than has been stated on the Ricoh build. But it is of greater importance to find out about the extortionate final cost of building the Ricoh. Agreed?You can see exactly what got built on the attachment - I'm not copying and pasting it - what is impossible to determine is the k stall spend. You can see initial fees incurred by the club and you can also see the construction fees afterwards. What is impossible to see if what happened to the assigned debt from arena 2001 Ltd and the overlap costs that may have occurred in the council report to previous funding.
I assume arena 2001 when would ho had it's associate debt appear on the report. If not then the costs are huge. Even with it compared to similar stadiums at the time the costs are huge.
25,000 would be sufficient. But it seems that CRFC want about half this. And the land and surrounding area suggests that it would fit and not 25,000. 12,500 would not have been big enough in the division that we are in now. So what would it be like when we get promotion? There is a decent chance that we would get promoted before it is built (that is if it does get built). So we would need to extend before it is finished or be left with a stadium where we turn away paying customers about every game.A 25000 seater stadium is ample for us, even it the top flight with 4000 away fans we averaged around 19000
Yep, indeed.25,000 would be sufficient. But it seems that CRFC want about half this. And the land and surrounding area suggests that it would fit and not 25,000. 12,500 would not have been big enough in the division that we are in now. So what would it be like when we get promotion? There is a decent chance that we would get promoted before it is built (that is if it does get built). So we would need to extend before it is finished or be left with a stadium where we turn away paying customers about every game.
Sandwell has the similar population as Coventry, which is probably a more accurate reflection of its main catchment area.West Bromwich West Bromwich shown within the West Midlands
Population 75,405 (Town) 136,940 (Urban Sub-Area)
Season tickets would be a premium price like Bournemouth I should imagine the fans would have to commit irrelevant of the crap that could be served up!25,000 would be sufficient. But it seems that CRFC want about half this. And the land and surrounding area suggests that it would fit and not 25,000. 12,500 would not have been big enough in the division that we are in now. So what would it be like when we get promotion? There is a decent chance that we would get promoted before it is built (that is if it does get built). So we would need to extend before it is finished or be left with a stadium where we turn away paying customers about every game.
I live near Sandwell and believe me the catchment area serves West Brom, Wolves, Villa and Walsall fans,so not a one team townSandwell has the similar population as Coventry, which is probably a more accurate reflection of its main catchment area.
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I'm sure it does, just like there are fans of other clubs in Coventry, and im sure theres a fair few West Brom fans from brum, walsall and wolverhampton. In fact theres a few west Brom and villa tops (as well as the usual suspects) at the SBiTC Saturday club at the higgs, in fact out of 20 kids, theres usually only 2-3 wearing cov topsI live near Sandwell and believe me the catchment area serves West Brom, Wolves, Villa and Walsall fans,so not a one team town
You said that CCFC spent much more than has been stated on the Ricoh build. But it is of greater importance to find out about the extortionate final cost of building the Ricoh. Agreed?
I take it that you now have looked and see that it wasn't. So now do you agree that it would be best to find out where the money went that came from CCFC? There is a missing 5m somewhere. If we could find out where it went we might be able to recover some of it.
Understand, however the Sandwell area is a real melting pot of supporters from the 4 teams, and I am not talking kids.I'm sure it does, just like there are fans of other clubs in Coventry, and im sure theres a fair few West Brom fans from brum, walsall and wolverhampton. In fact theres a few west Brom and villa tops (as well as the usual suspects) at the SBiTC Saturday club at the higgs, in fact out of 20 kids, theres usually only 2-3 wearing cov tops
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Season tickets would be a premium price like Bournemouth I should imagine the fans would have to commit irrelevant of the crap that could be served up!
Objectively, a small ground that sells out constantly could be the best thing for our fan base. As you mention, it'd force people to buy season tickets, there'd be an actual dmand for tickets. At the moment it's too easy to leave buying them until the last minute.
A small ground could actually grow our fanbase, as a game would become an event.
However, this also has been done before, and ain't Jon Sharp agreeing with Tim Fisher
Yeah, think the point gets missed that sharp is agreeing.
So what's his angle on it?
I don't think it does get missed.Yeah, think the point gets missed that sharp is agreeing.
So what's his angle on it?
Pretty sure it would have been discussed wouldn't it?I don't think it does get missed.
He seems to be agreeing with Fisher on some aspects, but Fisher wants a 25,000 seater stadium and Sharp clearly does not.
There they do not agree at all.
Well your guess is as good as mine.Pretty sure it would have been discussed wouldn't it?
I mean the overall situation, sharp has always been up for working with ccfc hasn't he?
He's now saying the situation was as Fisher said, so would be interesting to know what's going on with it.
Well your guess is as good as mine.
Think the main problem though is, Nick, Sisu have no intention of building a new stadium, so I think it is all just talk and bluster.
They have to keep perpetuating the new stadium line, otherwise they are admitting it is the Ricoh or bust.
Sandwell has the similar population as Coventry, which is probably a more accurate reflection of its main catchment area.
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Not 'keen' to write it off at all! Why would I be?You seem very keen to just write it off straight away without looking into what could be going on
I don't think Sharp is stupid, so why is he getting in on the talk and bluster which could potentially make him look silly.
Has Fisher said 25k?
Is that a potential upgrade or a starting point? Would be weird to go that high when Sisu were making the case for a small 15k or so.
I think the point about creating demand is a good one. At the moment that'd be a 10k ground though.
It was Sharp I believe who said CCFC would be looking at 25,000.I believe he was always talking less with the potential to expand. Yet when it was apparently getting stopped by a 'political embargo' he was talking 25k
For me it would have to be 25k from the off. Or planning permission already agreed for 25k before you build any less.
I believe if less is built it will never expand
Probably around the same size as West Brom's, its probably not as big as it should be.What's reflective of our catchment area?
Probably around the same size as West Brom's, its probably not as big as it should be.
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Serious questions:
What do Fishers investors get out of paying for and building the Stadium, flats and retail units?,
Who will the site belong to, CCFC, CRFC, both or the investors?,
If the lease belongs to Sharp and outside investors pay to build the complex why would they be willing to give CCFC any of the proceeds of their resources?
Surely at the end of the day we (CCFC) would still be tenants or am I missing something?
Do you not think they people from Wolverhampton, Walsall and Birmingham, etc will support West Brom? Or are there invisible walls in Sandwell that we don't have in Coventry?Mate the whole population of Sandwell is about the sabe size of Coventry.
Then we have a lot of Warwickshire in our catchment area for fan base as well. (Nuneaton, Kenilworth, Leamington, Warwick, Rugby)
If West Brom are pulling in 22-24k in the Prem.
We would need 25k minim
I can't see any advantage from Sharp or CRFC's point of view for him to be making things up to make Fisher or SISU look better.Yeah, think the point gets missed that sharp is agreeing.
So what's his angle on it?
If there was a demand for a much larger stadium in the future that would mean the club was doing well. Wouldn't it then follow that an owner or potential owner would be prepared to invest in a new, larger, stadium. Nobody is saying if we move to the Butts that's it for the next 100 years.I can see your point but, if demand says we need a bigger capacity than BPA can give us either now or in the future, we'd be consigning ourself to a life of no forward movement.
This is exactly why I think everyone (fans, CCC, SBT, CT) should get behind this and push for full details. We don't at the moment know what, if anything, they have discussed or agreed on. For example and initial 20K that can easily rise to 25K is a very different prospect to 15K and that's it.He seems to be agreeing with Fisher on some aspects, but Fisher wants a 25,000 seater stadium and Sharp clearly does not.
Whilst I don't believe a new stadium will ever materialise, I would rather keep an open mind until any such proposal and financial case for a new stadium vs staying at the Ricoh is made. We're going to be at the Ricoh for the short - medium term regardless.FFS let's sack off the Butts and stay at the bloody Ricoh!!!
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