JR verdict (18 Viewers)

spider_ricoh · May 16, 2014

Is there anyone on here who has
a) read all the publicly available information that will be discussed in court, and
b) a reasonable legal background

If so, please can you tell us all who is the likely winner of the JR?

It would break my heart to see SISU win.

A council win would be the biggest moment for this club since 1987, but would be soured if SISU appeal / and or start a new set of legal proceedings /and or don't bring the club home from Northampton immediately.

SimonGilbert · May 16, 2014

spider_ricoh said:
Is there anyone on here who has
a) read all the publicly available information that will be discussed in court, and
b) a reasonable legal background

If so, please can you tell us all who is the likely winner of the JR?

It would break my heart to see SISU win.

A council win would be the biggest moment for this club since 1987, but would be soured if SISU appeal / and or start a new set of legal proceedings /and or don't bring the club home from Northampton immediately.

Most documents and skeleton arguments not due to be submitted until June.

As for the verdict, we'll have to wait and see!

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Astute · May 16, 2014

SimonGilbert said:
Most documents and skeleton arguments not due to be submitted until June.

Is Joy that skinny?

RFC · May 16, 2014

No winners whatever the outcome, only losers. (except the lawyers of course!).

The clubs supporters mainly but the most guilty party?

I could say more but far too many disbelievers on here!

covmark · May 16, 2014

'A council win would be the biggest moment for this club since 1987'
Are you for real??

Kingokings204 · May 16, 2014

RFC said:
No winners whatever the outcome, only losers. (except the lawyers of course!).

The clubs supporters mainly but the most guilty party?

I could say more but far too many disbelievers on here!

Tell us big man?

This is our football club not a playground game of tig.

dongonzalos · May 16, 2014

RFC said:
No winners whatever the outcome, only losers. (except the lawyers of course!).

The clubs supporters mainly but the most guilty party?

I could say more but far too many disbelievers on here!

You could say more but never do

RFC · May 16, 2014

Kingokings204 said:
Tell us big man?

This is our football club not a playground game of tig.

Just like me you're going to have to 'wait and see' but what's the betting on an out of court settlement?????

Kingokings204 · May 16, 2014

RFC said:
Just like me you're going to have to 'wait and see' but what's the betting on an out of court settlement?????

Do you honestly believe or know this RFC?

Astute · May 16, 2014

RFC said:
Just like me you're going to have to 'wait and see' but what's the betting on an out of court settlement?????

Depends on what you mean by that.

SISU will know that it isn't looking good for them. Could be a time to deal at last. But if they wait until after losing the JR it won't count as out of court to me. It will be after court.

RFC · May 16, 2014

dongonzalos said:
You could say more but never do

Why do you think that is?

All you try and do is twist & distort anything I say (or know) because it doesn't agree with your thinking.

I have an open mind but realise that ALL parties involved are to some extent at fault but apportioning blame is hardly the answer.

We have to move on whether that's at the Ricoh or a new home!

RFC · May 16, 2014

Kingokings204 said:
Do you honestly believe or know this RFC?

Of course I don't know but it's a little more than a possibility.

skybluetony176 · May 16, 2014

RFC said:
No winners whatever the outcome, only losers. (except the lawyers of course!).

The clubs supporters mainly but the most guilty party?

I could say more but far too many disbelievers on here!

As always, I'm all ears. Tell us, PLEASE!

By the way, how do you know we're disbelievers when all you ever say is "I know something you don't" then piss off. You're yet to give us the opportunity to believe or disbelieve you.

wingy · May 16, 2014

skybluetony176 said:
As always, I'm all ears. Tell us, PLEASE!

By the way, how do you know we're disbelievers when all you ever say is "I know something you don't" then piss off. You're yet to give us the opportunity to believe or disbelieve you.

i doubt he knows anymore than the rest of us ,there's plenty going round at the minute .

skybluetony176 · May 16, 2014

RFC said:
Just like me you're going to have to 'wait and see' but what's the betting on an out of court settlement?????

Settlement? The JR doesn't have the powers to award compensation so why would there be an out of court settlement?

RFC · May 16, 2014

Astute said:
Depends on what you mean by that.

SISU will know that it isn't looking good for them. Could be a time to deal at last. But if they wait until after losing the JR it won't count as out of court to me. It will be after court.

You might also have to consider that 'collusion' between two other parties might also be giving them cold feet, particularly when all the costs are taken into consideration.

RFC · May 16, 2014

skybluetony176 said:
As always, I'm all ears. Tell us, PLEASE!

By the way, how do you know we're disbelievers when all you ever say is "I know something you don't" then piss off. You're yet to give us the opportunity to believe or disbelieve you.

What's the point of stating something you obviously don't want to hear?

Nearly all your posts have a bias against one party involved, we will all see and some are going to get much more than egg on their face!

Samo · May 16, 2014

Kingokings204 said:
Tell us big man?

This is our football club not a playground game of tig.

He wont because he knows fuck all

dongonzalos · May 16, 2014

RFC said:
Why do you think that is?

All you try and do is twist & distort anything I say (or know) because it doesn't agree with your thinking.

I have an open mind but realise that ALL parties involved are to some extent at fault but apportioning blame is hardly the answer.

We have to move on whether that's at the Ricoh or a new home!

I haven't heard anything you know to twist, you never say what you know.
You also never answer any questions.
For example what do you think will happen if SISU win the JR?

Kingokings204 · May 16, 2014

I think most of us would accept an out of court settlement and saves the needless action of a court case. I hope you are right RFC.

My only issue is how can there be an out of court settlement of the parties aren't talking? Lawyers talking to eachother I guess.

ArchieLittle · May 16, 2014

RFC said:
Just like me you're going to have to 'wait and see' but what's the betting on an out of court settlement?????

I'll take that bet, you can't "settle" a JR. You are either asking the court to rule on the councils actions or your not.

Samo · May 16, 2014

Kingokings204 said:
I think most of us would accept an out of court settlement and saves the needless action of a court case. I hope you are right RFC.

My only issue is how can there be an out of court settlement of the parties aren't talking? Lawyers talking to eachother I guess.

Problem is though, if you settle it's an admission of wrong doing. Are CCC going to do that?

skybluetony176 · May 16, 2014

RFC said:
You might also have to consider that 'collusion' between two other parties might also be giving them cold feet, particularly when all the costs are taken into consideration.

I hate to be the one to break this to you but the presiding judge has already made it clear that he's not interested in conspiracy theories of secret plots. He's there to judge the facts surrounding the legality of the loan to ACL not what have motivated them to arrange it.

Who chanted what at a football game and square centimeters of the deflated balloon that was placed under TF's window wiper will not be considered.

And neither will independent witnesses opinions on whether wonga could have offered a better rate of interest or whether Ms Seppela could have negotiated a smaller pay off to the YB.

covmark · May 16, 2014

dongonzalos said:
I haven't heard anything you know to twist, you never say what you know.
You also never answer any questions.
For example what do you think will happen if SISU win the JR?

If SISU win the JR skybluestalk will go in to meltdown and the earth will be swallowed up by a vortex of evil.

olderskyblue · May 16, 2014

RFC eh? If you didn't know better, you'd think he was a Leicester supporting WUM....

covmark · May 16, 2014

Samo said:
Problem is though, if you settle it's an admission of wrong doing. Are CCC going to do that?

Wasn't dropping the JR one of the conditions of acceptance for the CVA?

skybluetony176 · May 16, 2014

RFC said:
What's the point of stating something you obviously don't want to hear?

Nearly all your posts have a bias against one party involved, we will all see and some are going to get much more than egg on their face!

You don't know jack in other words.

If someone has a smoking gun that proves that sisu are an innocent party I'll be happy to hear it.

Samo · May 16, 2014

covmark said:
If SISU win the JR skybluestalk will go in to meltdown and the earth will be swallowed up by a vortex of evil.

Indeed, I would fully expect some 'I'll never see her beautiful face again' type posts

covmark · May 16, 2014

Samo said:
Indeed, I would fully expect some 'I'll never see her beautiful face again' type posts

Ha, thats my favourite post of all time.

Chez78 · May 16, 2014

RFC said:
No winners whatever the outcome, only losers. (except the lawyers of course!).

The clubs supporters mainly but the most guilty party?

I could say more but far too many disbelievers on here!

God you are such a liar, the only reason no one believes you is because you consistently claim to be in the know then NEVER produce any information or any of the "facts" you claim to know or how you know them.

Kingokings204 · May 16, 2014

Samo said:
Problem is though, if you settle it's an admission of wrong doing. Are CCC going to do that?

Very good point. I don't see ccc doing that personally probably like yourself. RFC seems to think it's very possible. At the moment after Wednesday it doesn't look good for sisu and probably the costs as well. If the case is decided as a waste of time then sisu will have to pay costs I would imagine.

Also the massive 590k payment to ACL needs to be paid before end of may/June and how and where does this come from?

wingy · May 16, 2014

Kingokings204 said:
Very good point. I don't see ccc doing that personally probably like yourself. RFC seems to think it's very possible. At the moment after Wednesday it doesn't look good for sisu and probably the costs as well. If the case is decided as a waste of time then sisu will have to pay costs I would imagine.

Also the massive 590k payment to ACL needs to be paid before end of may/June and how and where does this come from?

Would require a total retraction of all allegations .

Would help If they appointed a New Local chairman as well ,faces have changed at the CCC and ACL.

boatang · May 16, 2014

I have read a few times that there can be no appeal against whatever decision is made. At least this chapter will be over one way or the other.

wince · May 16, 2014

Wasn't dropping the JR one of the conditions of acceptance for the CVA?

If the loan was illegal the European commission for England are duty bound to investigate , its not upto sisu who they investigate

RFC · May 16, 2014

boatang said:
I have read a few times that there can be no appeal against whatever decision is made. At least this chapter will be over one way or the other.

Sorry but it won't as either side is able to legally challenge!

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